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17 Mar 2017, 10:14 pm

Surprised? Not surprised. The budget proposal actually has CUTS to infrastructure.


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17 Mar 2017, 10:47 pm

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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REORGANIZING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH

Section 1. Purpose. This order is intended to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of the executive branch by directing the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) to propose a plan to reorganize governmental functions and eliminate unnecessary agencies (as defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code), components of agencies, and agency programs.


Including especially:

(d) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consider, in addition to any other relevant factors:

(i) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are appropriate for the Federal Government or would be better left to State or local governments or to the private sector through free enterprise....

Privatizing things has worked sooo well for our justice system and criminal rehabilitation, health care, and banks.

I'm sure that an organization whose end goal is profit will take great care of those veterans the GOP claim to care so much about. :roll:


My state "deregulated" power companies years ago. The argument was that competition would lower electricity rates. First off, it didn't. There was no way to choose your power company as all the power goes through the same lines. Second, it resulted in the Enron Scandal



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17 Mar 2017, 11:28 pm

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Donald Trump isn't my President and maybe this message is inappropriate.

The new president of the United States of America is very famous beyond frontiers.
In the western Europe, because we have a different culture — it's not better or worse, it's a fact — medias are disappointed by this election.
However, no one questions legally his election. It's not the debate, but it's easy to think American people have elected Donald Trump (because we don't know how the American president is elected, ect.).

I study this in my college.
Donald Trump was elected by only 25% of American, is it right ? In the United States, the people doesn't vote in a majority (only 50-55%, I believe).
As a matter of fact, I don't consider it's a reason to say about American : "They are new fascists". There is a lot of socio-political reasons to explain this resultat.
By the way, an American President is less powerful (regarding to the Constitution) that a French president. So, Donald Trump can't be a danger for this country, isn't it ?

I'm only worry about nominations in the supreme court. Democrats judges are very old. Donald Trump — and the Republican Party — could influence its political direction for ten, twenty, thirty years.
I'm worry because regarding to my education, to my culture, I can't be a support of the new President of the U.S.A. However, it's not in my business. It's impossible to judge someone, moreover to judge a people only because of they elected Donald Trump. I'm against these statements, because it's America first. It's an American problem. No one (especially in Europe) has the right to claim a such thing.

— There is maybe a lot of mistakes in my sentences. My English isn't very good but I want to improve it —.


There are about 242.47 million people in the US who can legally vote and 200 million of them are registered to vote. 60% of those registered to vote, voted in the 2016 election, and slightly less than half of those who voted for Donald Trump (he lost the popular vote). So less than a quarter of Americans voted for Donald Trump, but the numbers are particularly unusual.

We do not have an absolute democracy in the U.S. so it doesn't matter that Donald Trump lost the popular vote. When people vote for presidents, they are essentially voting for how their state will vote. Each state gets some number of electoral votes, which will be cast by electors of the party of the candidate who wins the popular vote in that state. The electors (one per electoral vote) are pledged to cast their electoral vote for their party's presidential candidate, but are not legally required to do so (though they may face severe sanctions from their party if they do not).

Donald Trump is different from most previous presidents because he has no previous experience in politics, law, or public service, and those expressing concerns about him and his behavior are not just average citizens as usual, or leaders of opposite party affiliation, but government agencies, including the CIA, and leaders of his own party, both which are unprecedented.

Concerning leaders and the constitution of their country, no leader who has become a dangerous leader has ever been stopped by a piece of paper or the words printed on.



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17 Mar 2017, 11:41 pm

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cutting the science (america's tour de force) budget is making america great again?

seems this got lost in the wash.



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17 Mar 2017, 11:48 pm

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cutting the science (america's tour de force) budget is making america great again?

seems this got lost in the wash.

Sorry to go on about it, but... walls of nested snark, again.


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18 Mar 2017, 1:34 am

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Trump-Care doesn't appear constitutional.

If this is permitted , then the government has unlimited powers.

You must maintain continuous health coverage, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.
You must buy an American-made car, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.
You must go to church on Sunday, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.

You must do X , or pay a huge non-tax penalty.

Exactly!
It potentially opens a Pandora's box.
The people I see that support Obamacare the most are the users and takers. The ones that preach about being their brothers keeper but they themselves are the ones being kept, not doing the keeping.

keeper here. don't need obamacare. still support health care for all, as do 70% of americans. that includes quite a few republicans, the ones with hearts.



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18 Mar 2017, 2:31 am

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Our politicians are stupid about healthcare and dishonest about their real intentions and limitations, they can't advocate for certain things and still be elected to office. There are powerful forces that work against any sort of reform besides just the insurance companies, the insurance companies were heavily involved in crafting Obamacare as one can obviously see why mandating that citizens but private health insurance would be a boon to them.

What were the issues with healthcare? Cost and the pre-existing conditions, there's no way both problems can be addressed at the same time. The mandate is absolute failure as it only raises demand, that can only raise prices with no change in supply. There needs to be some other solution for the 'uninsurable' without it being a dumping ground for the insurance companies, it shouldn't be subsidized on the back's of healthy people that don't want to pay for too expensive healthcare they can't afford to even use.


There is a solution to all that: single payer.


Singapore has an interesting model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

1. Compulsory health care savings into a private account. You are forced to save for your health care until your account has $35,000 in it. This money can be spent on family members too.

2. Optional government program for catastrophic health, and nursing home insurance.

3. If your private account is too low, and you opted-in, then the optional government insurance kicks in.



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18 Mar 2017, 4:30 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
Our politicians are stupid about healthcare and dishonest about their real intentions and limitations, they can't advocate for certain things and still be elected to office. There are powerful forces that work against any sort of reform besides just the insurance companies, the insurance companies were heavily involved in crafting Obamacare as one can obviously see why mandating that citizens but private health insurance would be a boon to them.

What were the issues with healthcare? Cost and the pre-existing conditions, there's no way both problems can be addressed at the same time. The mandate is absolute failure as it only raises demand, that can only raise prices with no change in supply. There needs to be some other solution for the 'uninsurable' without it being a dumping ground for the insurance companies, it shouldn't be subsidized on the back's of healthy people that don't want to pay for too expensive healthcare they can't afford to even use.


There is a solution to all that: single payer.


Singapore has an interesting model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

1. Compulsory health care savings into a private account. You are forced to save for your health care until your account has $35,000 in it. This money can be spent on family members too.

2. Optional government program for catastrophic health, and nursing home insurance.

3. If your private account is too low, and you opted-in, then the optional government insurance kicks in.


That's Singapore.


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18 Mar 2017, 8:56 am

According to DJT at the press conference with Merkel, the buck now stops with FOX. His weasel side is undermining his strongman side.


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18 Mar 2017, 8:58 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
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cutting the science (america's tour de force) budget is making america great again?

seems this got lost in the wash.

Sorry to go on about it, but... walls of nested snark, again.

This does deserve more of a response, though. I think it boils down to this being an anti-science administration. They like the toys, but they don't want to hear the warnings.


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18 Mar 2017, 12:18 pm

Interesting analysis. Lying about the lies is pretty standard, for huge liars like DJT.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... story.html


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18 Mar 2017, 12:33 pm

Hey Raptor ...

I hereby present to you, a heart. :heart: 8)

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18 Mar 2017, 1:33 pm

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Hey Raptor ...

I hereby present to you, a heart. :heart: 8)

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I *some* cases it's more fun NOT to have one.
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18 Mar 2017, 3:08 pm

Raptor wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
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Trump-Care doesn't appear constitutional.

If this is permitted , then the government has unlimited powers.

You must maintain continuous health coverage, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.
You must buy an American-made car, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.
You must go to church on Sunday, or pay a huge non-tax penalty.

You must do X , or pay a huge non-tax penalty.

Exactly!
It potentially opens a Pandora's box.
The people I see that support Obamacare the most are the users and takers. The ones that preach about being their brothers keeper but they themselves are the ones being kept, not doing the keeping.

keeper here. don't need obamacare. still support health care for all, as do 70% of americans. that includes quite a few republicans, the ones with hearts.


70% of Americans, including republicans, support ACA??? Not on the planet I live on.
Besides, even if they did it's still outside the role of government to require people to purchase a product which insurance is. It sets a dangerous precedence.

i didn't say they support the much politicized ACA. they support health care for all. and yes. it''s so dangerous that it's working well in every other developed country on earth.



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18 Mar 2017, 4:39 pm

Single-payer healthcare is the way to go. Despite all the scaremongering coming from the right just about every other developed nation on earth has more affordable healthcare with overall better results. Medicare for all would be the easiest way to achieve that in the U.S. Gradually lower the age requirement until everyone qualifies.

http://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/201 ... -1211.html

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As health care economist Uwe Reinhardt noted,

prices for identical products or services in the U.S. tend to be, on average, twice or more than the prices of the same products and services paid in other countries…. Prices are high here because the payment side of the health system is so fragmented that few payers have sufficient market power to bargain for lower prices from an increasingly consolidated supply side [23].


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/hea ... countries/
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Health care spending in the U.S. far exceeds that in other countries, despite a global slowdown in spending growth in recent years. At 17.1 percent of GDP, the U.S. devotes at least 50 percent more of its economy to health care than do other countries. Even public spending on health care, on a per capita basis, is higher in the U.S. than in most other countries with universal public coverage.

How can we explain the higher U.S. spending? In line with previous studies,19 the results of this analysis suggest that the excess is likely driven by greater utilization of medical technology and higher prices, rather than use of routine services, such as more frequent visits to physicians and hospitals.

High health care spending has far-reaching consequences in the U.S. economy, contributing to wage stagnation, personal bankruptcy, and budget deficits, and creating a competitive disadvantage relative to other nations.20 One potential consequence of high health spending is that it may crowd out other forms of social spending that support health. In the U.S., health care spending substantially outweighs spending on social services. This imbalance may contribute to the country’s poor health outcomes. A growing body of evidence suggests that social services play an important role in shaping health trajectories and mitigating health disparities.21,22 Additional cross-national research is needed to better understand the relationship between social services and health, as well as other health determinants like lifestyle and environment.


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18 Mar 2017, 4:45 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
Single-payer healthcare is the way to go.
Despite all the scaremongering coming from the right

It was Barack Obama who went on tv and explained that government run health care is a "ticking time bomb" so we can't have the government manage it, we needed to do the ACA.

here it is from 2009 ...
Obama: Health care a 'ticking time bomb'
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31366944/ns/p ... M2rEfnyub8



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