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18 Mar 2017, 4:47 pm

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicd ... ly-chart-7

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18 Mar 2017, 4:52 pm

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Single-payer healthcare is the way to go.
Despite all the scaremongering coming from the right

It was Barack Obama who went on tv and explained that government run health care is a "ticking time bomb" so we can't have the government manage it, we needed to do the ACA.

Single-payer is different than government run healthcare. Single-payer just replaces the insurance companies with a single system covering everyone and run on a not for profit basis. The hospitals and doctors still remain the same as in private practitioners will still be available. Government run means that the government takes over everything including hospitals and doctors offices. Kind of like the way the V.A. is currently. I am advocating for the first approach not the latter.

By the way, I never said I agree with Obama on everything.

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18 Mar 2017, 4:55 pm

Walls of infographics, on the other hand, I like a lot.

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18 Mar 2017, 5:17 pm

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Single-payer healthcare is the way to go. Despite all the scaremongering coming from the right just about every other developed nation on earth has more affordable healthcare with overall better results.

1. America leads the world in medical innovation.
2. America leads the world in drug research, probably all medical research fields.
3. America leads the world in the best doctors. Equivalent doctors can make 2-4x more in America , what they make in say the UK. We "brain drain" the world of the most skilled doctors.
4. We likely have the best hospitals, since we spend so much. Other nations cannot possibly spend what we spend to have great hospitals.

For most people, there is no better place to get health care, than America.

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18 Mar 2017, 5:21 pm

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Let lots of Americans die in order to capitalize on our position as a health care tourism destination for the ultra rich?

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18 Mar 2017, 5:23 pm

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None of that has to do with how healthcare is funded. Private insurance contributes to none of those things. All they manage to do is suck money out of the system by denying care to people who need it. With single-payer all of those things you listed will remain the same.

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18 Mar 2017, 5:29 pm

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Let lots of Americans die in order to capitalize on our position as a health care tourism destination for the ultra rich?

Most Americans have employer insurance.

"Employer-sponsored insurance is, by far, the the most common source of health coverage in the United States. There are an estimated 155 million people under age 65 covered by such plans"
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/13/number-o ... acare.html

Think of the Democrats, many are union members that have the infamous "Cadillac" health insurance. Don't even think about taking that away.

So, my point is, most people are OK with the present system.

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18 Mar 2017, 5:32 pm

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It's fairly obvious that you didn't really look at the graphs I posted let alone the links. Number 4 is directly refuted by the information I posted. And with number 3, more than a quarter of our doctors our foreign born.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/ ... ted-states

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More than one-quarter of physicians and surgeons (27 percent) were foreign born, as were more than one out of every five (22 percent) persons working in health care support jobs as nursing, psychiatric, and home health aides.

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Foreign-born health care workers are admitted to the United States under a variety of temporary and permanent visa categories.
Different temporary work and exchange visitor visa categories are used to admit foreign-born health care workers into the country. These categories include H-1B (specialty occupations), H-2B (nonagricultural workers), H-3 (trainees), TN (Mexican and Canadian NAFTA professionals), J-1 (exchange visitors), and O-1 (persons with "extraordinary ability or achievement").

Doctors with foreign degrees often apply for a J-1 visa to complete a medical residency in the United States, which is required of most foreign-educated doctors. Doctors may also apply for a temporary visa, such as an H-1B, to complete residency training or to work in the medical field after completing their U.S. residency program.

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18 Mar 2017, 5:37 pm

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Let lots of Americans die in order to capitalize on our position as a health care tourism destination for the ultra rich?

Why should my employer dictate whether or not I can go to my doctor? Besides my boss has said he wants single-payer. He said he wants out of the health insurance business.

According to Gallup your last sentence is incorrect.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/major ... ystem.aspx

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Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

58% favor replacing the ACA with federally funded healthcare system
About half would also be OK with keeping the ACA as is
Separate question shows that just over half would favor repealing the ACA

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Additionally, 27% of Americans say they favor repealing the ACA and say they favor replacing it with a federally funded system. This means the group of Americans in this survey who favor the law's repeal, a core policy proposal of many Republican presidential candidates during this campaign season, includes some who apparently want the ACA repealed to replace it with an even more liberal system. Only 22% of Americans say they want the ACA repealed and do not favor replacing it with a federally funded system.

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18 Mar 2017, 6:01 pm

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You posted nothing about the quality of the hospitals. We make huge, beautiful buildings, and spend tons of money on them, because we can.

Here is one ...

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So? They come for the money.

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18 Mar 2017, 6:13 pm

Here it is ...

10 Best hospitals .... America has 5 of them
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-best ... als-world/

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18 Mar 2017, 6:16 pm

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You posted nothing about the quality of the hospitals. We make huge, beautiful buildings, and spend tons of money on them, because we can.

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So? They come for the money.

The way a building looks has nothing to do with the level of care the patients receive. I'd rather the hospital administration care more about healthcare than appearance.

http://www.topmastersinhealthcare.com/3 ... the-world/

13 of the hospitals on the list are in foreign countries. You're right that we have great hospitals but as I said private insurance plays no role in that. One of our big problems is many people don't have access to great hospitals. In my case I have to drive 45 minutes to an hour to get to a hospital with good care. If I end up in an ambulance I will have no choice and I will be brought to a hospital of much worse quality. But anyway we can still maintain all of our standards and increase our cost efficiency and outcomes by replacing private insurance companies with federal funding.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publica ... nd-reality

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Medicare beneficiaries' more positive access experiences and ratings of care also indicate that their coverage is working relatively well in providing choice of services and access to needed care. This may be because most Medicare beneficiaries are covered under the traditional fee-for-service program, while adults with employer coverage are more likely to be enrolled in managed care plans. As a result, Medicare beneficiaries have a wider choice of physicians and fewer restrictions on care, such as the prior approval for specialist services required by many managed care plans.

The survey findings indicate that such attributes are linked to higher levels of satisfaction and reduced likelihood of access and medical bill problems. Thus, attempts to reform Medicare that would pattern coverage on private employer insurance run the risk of undermining the confidence of those it is designed to serve.

Medicare beneficiaries tend to be sicker and poorer than those covered by employer plans. However, regardless of income or health status, those on Medicare are more likely to rate their coverage as excellent.

Facts and Figures
Twenty-two percent of privately insured people found that their plan did not pay for care that they thought was covered, compared with 9 percent of elderly Medicare beneficiaries.
Nine percent of privately insured people had difficulty getting a referral to a specialist, compared with 2 percent of elderly Medicare beneficiaries.
Medicare beneficiaries were more likely to be very confident in their ability to get care in the future as those covered by employer plans (60% vs. 37%).
Thirty-three percent of privately insured people were unable to pay their bills or had been contacted by a collection agency, compared with 18 percent of elderly Medicare beneficiaries.

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18 Mar 2017, 6:17 pm

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Here it is ...

10 Best hospitals .... America has 5 of them
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-best ... als-world/

You're really missing the point.

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18 Mar 2017, 9:36 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:

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Here it is ...

10 Best hospitals .... America has 5 of them
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-best ... als-world/

You're really missing the point.

LoveNotHate, is money everything? So far, fairness means rich people accumulating as much as possible without paying for the social benefits they exploit, and anyone who can't afford healthcare won't have long to worry about it. Do you have a conflict of interest we should know about?

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19 Mar 2017, 3:12 am

jrjones9933 wrote:

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Here it is ...

10 Best hospitals .... America has 5 of them
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-best ... als-world/

You're really missing the point.

Most people in America are rich.

Something like 30 million Americans are in the 1% of the world.

Our bottom 5% poorest are said to live better than 2/3 of the world's population.

Most baby-boomers I know have a $400,000+ home, multi-million dollar pensions, retirement savings, investments.

I imagine this is why California, and New York vote Democrat, because these people are so rich that they look beyond economic issues.

For example, where I use to live, the city fire-fighters would retire with a 4 million dollar pension annuity.

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19 Mar 2017, 8:37 am

I'll just take that as a yes.

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