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25 Oct 2022, 6:22 pm

Consider the irony:

Hitler underestimated the strength of The Soviet Union.
pootin underestimated the strength of Ukraine.

I wonder if pootler sees this also?



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25 Oct 2022, 6:47 pm

I doubt Putin sees the irony.....



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26 Oct 2022, 5:46 am

Pepe wrote:
Consider the irony:

Hitler underestimated the strength of The Soviet Union.
pootin underestimated the strength of Ukraine.

I wonder if pootler sees this also?
:lol: Your use of poo-tin always raises a chuckle, but pootler was a genuine LOL.


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26 Oct 2022, 8:58 am

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I wonder if declarations that radioactive contamination of NATO countries would trigger art 5 are worth anything. I hope we don't find out.


I think contamination like that would definitely trigger retribution from NATO. So many generals and CIA have been saying this... :?


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26 Oct 2022, 3:41 pm

Putin has been watching and waiting for this moment in Washington

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For months, Russian President Vladimir Putin has waited and watched, hoping for a fracturing of the remarkable Washington consensus built by President Joe Biden on the need to do everything it takes to defend democracy in Ukraine.

Now, at last, the first cracks may be appearing.

There is no sign that the $18 billion US pipeline of military aid that has helped Ukraine drive back Russia’s onslaught is immediately in danger. But the stirrings of political opposition to an endless US role in the war are growing on both sides of the aisle just two weeks before the November midterms.

Even the slightest hint of a softening of American resolve could comfort Putin as the Kremlin strongman prepares to inflict a painful winter on Ukrainian civilians and Europeans reliant on Russian gas.

In what can only be described as a political debacle on Tuesday, progressive Democrats published, then withdrew, a letter initially signed in June that called on the White House to match its effort to arm Ukraine with a strong diplomatic effort to engage Russia and seek a ceasefire. This came days after House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, the possible next speaker, warned that Kyiv could not expect a “blank check” on aid if the GOP is in charge next year.

Ex-President Donald Trump, a possible future Republican candidate, has, meanwhile, been complaining about the cost of supporting a government locked in a struggle with his hero, Putin, and that he dragged into his first impeachment by using military aid in a coercion scheme.

It’s clear that a bipartisan consensus for aiding Ukraine still exists in Washington. But the rumblings that Biden’s hardline on Russia may not always enjoy near unanimous support came at an especially sensitive time as the West seeks to discredit Russia’s latest round of nuclear rhetoric – a warning that Kyiv could use a dirty bomb. The claims have led to high-level talks between US and Russian military chiefs and are widely being interpreted as either more scare tactics or perhaps an attempt by Moscow to create a false flag operation that could be used as a pretext for its own use of weapons of mass destruction.

Seeking to highlight US and Western commitment to Ukraine amid the political chatter, Biden delivered a fresh warning on Tuesday against the use of smaller-yield nuclear weapons on the battlefield in Ukraine.

“Let me just say: Russia would be making an incredibly serious mistake for it to use a tactical nuclear weapon,” Biden told reporters after he was asked whether Russia was preparing to use a dirty bomb. “I’m not guaranteeing you that it’s a false flag operation yet, don’t know, but it would be a serious, serious mistake.”

The President’s comments were a reminder that the maneuvering in Washington over Ukraine aid is taking place in a critical context, with anxiety still acute over a possible escalation of the war that could spill over into direct US-Russia hostilities and put the world on a disastrous path toward a full-on nuclear escalation.

This is why signs of fraying political resolve in the United States, and in some allied nations, are so significant. They could convince Putin that a war of attrition over the winter could sooner or later cause fatigue in the West and therefore weaken Ukraine’s ability to fight.

And yet some of the questions raised by those who are cautious about the US stance are relevant and important. A foreign policy operation that lines up the United States against its former Cold War foe and nuclear rival must be constantly evaluated and justified by the President, given the cost and risks.

The fact that there is no diplomatic track in the conflict – Biden has several times mused privately that he doesn’t know what Putin’s “off-ramps” might be – is worthy of discussion and, potentially, testing in contacts with Moscow. And at a time of raging inflation and economic hardship in the United States, it is incumbent on the administration and its supporters to demonstrate to American taxpayers why a war on the edge of Europe is sucking up billions in public money, even if it’s not as if Ukraine currently has the “blank check” McCarthy mentioned.

The risk, though, is that such debates still play

Sooner or later, the political jousting in Washington over how long the US should stay involved in arming Ukraine – and how much it would cost – will stumble on the critical questions that could decide the war and could be the motivation for Putin’s frequent escalation of nuclear rhetoric that raises the stakes.

It is with these questions lingering that the drama over a letter signed by 30 progressives played out on Tuesday. Most of the members did not endorse releasing the letter this week, and some said they wouldn’t have signed it now given the grave turn the war has taken in recent days. The anger over the letter caused Rep. Pramila Jayapal, the head of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, to withdraw the letter, saying it was drafted months ago and released by staff without vetting.

And while the letter was withdrawn, some of its sentiments could boil up again.

The letter said that lawmakers were under no illusions about the difficulty in engaging Russia, given its “outrageous and illegal invasion of Ukraine.” But it added: “If there is a way to end the war while preserving a free and independent Ukraine, it is America’s responsibility to pursue every diplomatic avenue to support such a solution that is acceptable to the people of Ukraine.”

The problem, however, is that the terms that Russia has set for any peace deal involve locking in its battlefield gains. Now that it has illegally annexed several Ukrainian regions, any preconditions that Putin would set would be impossible for Kyiv to agree to. And rolling back such positions would deal the Russian leader the defeat he is desperate to avoid.

There is also a risk that diplomacy at this stage could offer Putin a prize for the human carnage he perpetrated in Ukraine.

“There is moral and strategic peril in sitting down with Putin too early. It risks legitimizing his crimes and handing over parts of Ukraine to Russia in an agreement that Putin won’t even honor,” Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut wrote in a tweet on Tuesday.

“Sometimes, a bully must be shown the limits of his power before diplomacy can work.”

The prospect of a House more squarely in Trump’s ideological image after the midterm elections and of more GOP senators who share his “America First” worldview will worry the administration.

“I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine,” McCarthy said in an interview with Punchbowl News last week, which was seized upon by Democrats.

But it did not necessarily mean the California lawmaker was determined to cut off aid. He may simply have been creating some political room for himself in the knowledge of the sensitivity of the issue in his pro-Trump party. In theory, a speaker McCarthy would be able to pass a Ukraine funding bill by using both Republican and Democratic votes.

McCarthy is not the only Republican sounding skeptical notes. Ohio Republican Senate nominee J.D. Vance said he didn’t really care about what happened to Ukraine before the invasion and that the US should worry about the influx across its own southern border.

Similar sentiments to Vance’s are often heard on conservative media.


I do not see any short to medium term danger to the basic consensus to support Ukraine. As far as internal debates about foreign policy this so far ranks as tame as could be. While the Republican Party is now hard core MAGA and MAGA enablers there remains a lot of strong anti Russian neo con sentiment in that party. So even if there is a Republican landslide in the midterm election, the neo cons in combination with the Democrats should be enough votes to continue to support Ukraine.

The long term is another story. From Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan, to Somalia, to Lebanon, to the “Red Line” in Syrian America has proven time and time again and again it’s word does not mean much. Enemies have proven that if you can withstand the initial brutal “Shock and awe” you can wear us down. Putin has probably still in shock we have done what we have done is counting on us wearing down eventually. There is the school of thought that does not agree with the above, that says if the threat is existential you are going to be sorry you messed with us. WWII and even the Civil War is used as evidence that we can “take it” when need be. Those events were a long time ago .


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26 Oct 2022, 4:38 pm

An option is to hope & pray that reports of putin's increasingly failing health are true and that maybe this whole mess expires with him..


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26 Oct 2022, 9:48 pm

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An option is to hope & pray that reports of putin's increasingly failing health are true and that maybe this whole mess expires with him..

"Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true"
My hope is that is not true in this case.


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27 Oct 2022, 12:25 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
An option is to hope & pray that reports of putin's increasingly failing health are true and that maybe this whole mess expires with him..

"Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true"
My hope is that is not true in this case.

Imagine his successor is Prigozhin...


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27 Oct 2022, 1:24 am

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Refugees scrambling for the border, porous censorship and a blundering dictatorship: Inside the crumbling remains of Putin’s Russia

Not even dictators need to apply martial law when things are going well. That Putin has done so in his four illegally-annexed oblasts in Ukraine is a clear sign things are going badly - and appear to be getting worse.
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There is an insightful Russian proverb that holds: “the future is predictable. It is the past which is unpredictable”.

The truth of that observation is being born out in Vladimir Putin’s Russia today. It is possible to see the consequence of the Kremlin’s war on Ukraine while the history of the conflict is already being rewritten.

In that history, Russia is the victim not the aggressor. The West, particularly the United States, has been responsible for the battle.


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27 Oct 2022, 1:29 am

magz wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
An option is to hope & pray that reports of putin's increasingly failing health are true and that maybe this whole mess expires with him..

"Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true"
My hope is that is not true in this case.

Imagine his successor is Prigozhin...


I bet your left testicle that things couldn't be worse when pootin is roasting marshmallows in hades.
With pootin gone, there will be the opportunity for "A Great Reset" in world politics.



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‘Pool of conscripts’ for Putin to draft ‘getting smaller’
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It is estimated that some 700,000 Russians have fled the country since President Vladimir Putin announced mobilisation orders a couple of months ago, ANU Associate Professor Matthew Sussex says.

“So the pool of conscripts for Putin to be able to draft into his army is getting smaller,” Prof Sussex told Sky News Australia.

“And the quality of those forces as he sends them off to the battlefield is going to be less and less.”


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27 Oct 2022, 3:12 am

Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
An option is to hope & pray that reports of putin's increasingly failing health are true and that maybe this whole mess expires with him..
"Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true"
My hope is that is not true in this case.
Imagine his successor is Prigozhin...
I bet your left testicle that things couldn't be worse when pootin is roasting marshmallows in hades.
With pootin gone, there will be the opportunity for "A Great Reset" in world politics.

Likely but not surely.
It can get worse. History of Russia provides such precedents.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.


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27 Oct 2022, 3:19 am

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I do not see any short to medium term danger to the basic consensus to support Ukraine. As far as internal debates about foreign policy this so far ranks as tame as could be. While the Republican Party is now hard core MAGA and MAGA enablers there remains a lot of strong anti Russian neo con sentiment in that party. So even if there is a Republican landslide in the midterm election, the neo cons in combination with the Democrats should be enough votes to continue to support Ukraine.

The long term is another story. From Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan, to Somalia, to Lebanon, to the “Red Line” in Syrian America has proven time and time again and again it’s word does not mean much. Enemies have proven that if you can withstand the initial brutal “Shock and awe” you can wear us down. Putin has probably still in shock we have done what we have done is counting on us wearing down eventually. There is the school of thought that does not agree with the above, that says if the threat is existential you are going to be sorry you messed with us. WWII and even the Civil War is used as evidence that we can “take it” when need be. Those events were a long time ago .

I think both Vietnam and Afghanistan (including the 1980s Afghanistan) show that it pays better to arm local fighters than to intervene with your own army.
Which gives more hope for Ukraine.


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