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26 Jul 2011, 12:24 am

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Orwell, did you hear of how Lawrence O'Donnell, a self-described "practical European socialist", shouted down Glenn Greenwald for claiming that being "too liberal" didn't cost the Democrats the election?

Lawrence seems like a total prick here and I think it's because he is.

What a freaking Uncle Tom. Why would a self-proclaimed Socialist act as an apologist for the right wing?


I'm gonna call you out on this. What you said was quite frankly racist, though I guess in you don't see it as that way because there is an African American supporting a conservative viewpoint.

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If we had an Obama vs. Palin election today, I think the low turnout would make it impossible to predict. I like Palin but right now she's just not resonating with the public very well.


Sarah Palin would probably win, and honestly she couldn't do any worse than the narcistic lunatic we currently have in the White House.



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26 Jul 2011, 12:09 pm

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Sarah Palin would probably win, and honestly she couldn't do any worse than the narcistic lunatic we currently have in the White House.


I don't know whether you are trying to be funny, or wilfully blind. But there is not one scrap of evidence to suggest that she is electable. Polling has consistently shown her to be the weakest of the possible Republican nominees against Obama.

I would go so far as to say that in a straight up Obama - Palin fight, Texas would be put back in play.


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26 Jul 2011, 12:55 pm

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Sarah Palin would probably win, and honestly she couldn't do any worse than the narcistic lunatic we currently have in the White House.


I don't know whether you are trying to be funny, or wilfully blind. But there is not one scrap of evidence to suggest that she is electable. Polling has consistently shown her to be the weakest of the possible Republican nominees against Obama.

I would go so far as to say that in a straight up Obama - Palin fight, Texas would be put back in play.


The polls are rather suspect when it involves Sarah Palin, because the media always seems to go completely unhinged whenever she posts an 8 word tweet, with responses like that from the lamestream media, I wouldn't put much stock in polls saying she couldn't beat Obama.



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26 Jul 2011, 12:58 pm

Anyone except for Obama or evil dictators. Sarah is neither Obama nor an evil dictator, therefore Sarah.



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26 Jul 2011, 1:03 pm

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Anyone except for Obama or evil dictators. Sarah is neither Obama nor an evil dictator, therefore Sarah.


Agreed, and she's pro second amendment.



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26 Jul 2011, 1:29 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Anyone except for Obama or evil dictators. Sarah is neither Obama nor an evil dictator, therefore Sarah.


Agreed, and she's pro second amendment.


Well, all the better if she remains so after election and not just during her campaign. I'm tired of the "say whatever appeals to your voters" crap that pretty much every politician does, but whether or not she's doing this matters less than that American really doesn't need another four years of Obamanomics. This nation should not be a desolate Obama nation anymore, and hopefully November 2012 will remedy that. If not, we'll have to wait until November 2016 where the Dem-wits of this nation have no other choice than to vote for someone else, and hopefully not someone like John Kerry or Al Gore either, since they'd be just as bad or worse than Obama.



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26 Jul 2011, 3:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
The polls are rather suspect when it involves Sarah Palin, because the media always seems to go completely unhinged whenever she posts an 8 word tweet, with responses like that from the lamestream media, I wouldn't put much stock in polls saying she couldn't beat Obama.


But what do you think informs voter intentions? Polls become self fulfilling prophecies because they poison the well. People expect her to poll poorly, and in consequence she polls poorly.

Truth be told, there are some of her previous actions in office that merit significant praise--but just because she moved Wasilia to consumption taxation and took on her own party in Alaska does not mean that she has a whelk's chance in a supernova of winning an election against Obama.


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26 Jul 2011, 3:35 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
The polls are rather suspect when it involves Sarah Palin, because the media always seems to go completely unhinged whenever she posts an 8 word tweet, with responses like that from the lamestream media, I wouldn't put much stock in polls saying she couldn't beat Obama.


But what do you think informs voter intentions? Polls become self fulfilling prophecies because they poison the well. People expect her to poll poorly, and in consequence she polls poorly.

Truth be told, there are some of her previous actions in office that merit significant praise--but just because she moved Wasilia to consumption taxation and took on her own party in Alaska does not mean that she has a whelk's chance in a supernova of winning an election against Obama.


I think that come election time, there will be two main candidates: Obama and Not-Obama, and I would bet that Not-Obama will win that election regardless of how well they would fair individually in the primaries.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:18 pm

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I think that come election time, there will be two main candidates: Obama and Not-Obama, and I would bet that Not-Obama will win that election regardless of how well they would fair individually in the primaries.


I disagree. I think that the House has already handed Obama his next term. Regardless of the outcome of the current debt-ceiling debate, Obama comes out on the winning side. Meanwhile, the Republican party is already starting to fracture from within.

I think it is a given that Obama cannot lose against a divided Republican party. If the Tea Party splits and nominates a counter-candidate, then Obama wins before the race even starts. If, on the other hand, a nominee acceptable to the Tea Party wins, then look to see moderate Republicans sit on their hands next November. Obama still wins, because the Democrats will have better machinery to get their vote out.

I think it is far too early to tell whether this will, in fact, be a two candidate race.


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26 Jul 2011, 4:35 pm

visagrunt wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I think that come election time, there will be two main candidates: Obama and Not-Obama, and I would bet that Not-Obama will win that election regardless of how well they would fair individually in the primaries.


I disagree. I think that the House has already handed Obama his next term. Regardless of the outcome of the current debt-ceiling debate, Obama comes out on the winning side. Meanwhile, the Republican party is already starting to fracture from within.

I think it is a given that Obama cannot lose against a divided Republican party. If the Tea Party splits and nominates a counter-candidate, then Obama wins before the race even starts. If, on the other hand, a nominee acceptable to the Tea Party wins, then look to see moderate Republicans sit on their hands next November. Obama still wins, because the Democrats will have better machinery to get their vote out.

I think it is far too early to tell whether this will, in fact, be a two candidate race.


Well, then four more years of flushing the economy down the toilet.