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What is the primary reason for disapproval of homosexuality?
Religion 36%  36%  [ 40 ]
Fear that homosexuals will be attracted to YOU 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Fear of disintegrating gender roles 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Male fear of gay anal rape 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Homosexual intercourse cannot produce children 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
It just icks people out 18%  18%  [ 20 ]
It defies social norms 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Other (please explain below) 15%  15%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 110

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01 Jan 2012, 6:58 am

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It is, however, upsetting when people of that generation are dead set against institutionally training children to be less racist, or less homophobic.


What if anti-homosexual attitudes and racism are inborn? They'd just be training hypocrites.



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01 Jan 2012, 9:24 am

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Suppose you were locked away in a prison, with nothing but male companionship? Or, in a nuclear submarine, underwater with nothing but men, for months at a time?


I would quietly await the termination of the journey or the end of the sentence. Being surrounded by guys, my only concern is body odor. I shower frequently and I would hope my shipmates did also.

My interaction with other men is conversation or business. Not sexual contact. I enjoy a good conversation, a witty argument and a profitable trade. The closest thing I feel to love for unrelated males is admiration for their intelligence.

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01 Jan 2012, 10:03 am

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Why? Are you afraid that you might like it or something?

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I have no desire to experience terminal disgust. Some people like abominations. I do not.

Having sex with a man is equivalent (for me) to sitting down and eating a plateful of hot steaming sh*t.

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Suppose you were locked away in a prison, with nothing but male companionship? Or, in a nuclear submarine, underwater with nothing but men, for months at a time?


He'd probably jerk off, if he became aroused at all (he's 75).
Oh, don't mind me, I'll just stand here and whistle innocently.

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Same-sex attraction can't be comditioned. Do you believe that gays can be turned straight?
I think that it would really depend on the attitudes someone grew up with. I think that a straight guy, if he grew up in environment where it "doesn't mean you're gay," could do casual sex with a guy. You find straight guys here and there who speak highly of it (sometimes objectifying the gay guys in question as avidly as they objectify women). The thing is, I don't think you get the click unless you are gay, just like a gay guy can have sex with a woman for years, even feel close to that woman, but he's still a gay guy. You just think, "well, this is nice, but something is missing."



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01 Jan 2012, 1:04 pm

Telekon wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:

It is, however, upsetting when people of that generation are dead set against institutionally training children to be less racist, or less homophobic.


What if anti-homosexual attitudes and racism are inborn? They'd just be training hypocrites.


What if a predisposition to rape and plunder are inborn? Maybe we''re all hypocrites.



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01 Jan 2012, 1:58 pm

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I think that it would really depend on the attitudes someone grew up with. I think that a straight guy, if he grew up in environment where it "doesn't mean you're gay," could do casual sex with a guy.


But if a man is straight, why would he have sex with other men? He'd have to be attracted to men. It looks like you're saying that straight men avoid gay sex because they're afraid of being thought of as gay. You're saying straight men are closet gays.



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01 Jan 2012, 2:01 pm

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What if a predisposition to rape and plunder are inborn? Maybe we''re all hypocrites.


They are inborn - why do you think invading armies rape female civilians? Nations are conquered genetically. Rape is punished because the victim's liberty has been violated. The victim is owed some measure of vengeance. But if someone is a racist or a homophobe, it doesn't violate anyone's liberty. These are 'thought crimes'. From the perspective of a moral relativist, it shouldn't be upsetting that ruveyn's generation wasn't keen on deprogramming these attitudes.



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01 Jan 2012, 2:28 pm

Telekon wrote:
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What if a predisposition to rape and plunder are inborn? Maybe we''re all hypocrites.


They are inborn - why do you think invading armies rape female civilians? Nations are conquered genetically. Rape is punished because the victim's liberty has been violated. The victim is owed some measure of vengeance. But if someone is a racist or a homophobe, it doesn't violate anyone's liberty. These are 'thought crimes'. From the perspective of a moral relativist, it shouldn't be upsetting that ruveyn's generation wasn't keen on deprogramming these attitudes.


They are thought crimes right up until they become actual crimes.

If a kid sees an adult do something that mirrors their instinct, they know that their instinct is acceptable. If all that results in is a kid who sort of doesn't like homosexuals, sure, that's just a thought crime.

Sometimes it results in a kid who beats the crap out of the gay kid in their class just to impress their dad.



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01 Jan 2012, 3:00 pm

Telekon wrote:
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I think that it would really depend on the attitudes someone grew up with. I think that a straight guy, if he grew up in environment where it "doesn't mean you're gay," could do casual sex with a guy.


But if a man is straight, why would he have sex with other men? He'd have to be attracted to men. It looks like you're saying that straight men avoid gay sex because they're afraid of being thought of as gay. You're saying straight men are closet gays.
I am saying quite the opposite. I am saying that you are not gay just because you like receiving nameless fellatio from a queer. I thought it was common knowledge that there are millions of straight guys out there who admit readily that they don't mind receiving oral sex from men.

What I am trying to get at, here, is that there is a level to homosexuality besides the purely carnal aspects of sex. Having sex with a guy doesn't make you gay. Having sex with a guy and enjoying it doesn't make you gay. Preferring men as casual bed partners doesn't even necessarily make you gay--I can see an essentially heterosexual male digging the idea of no-strings-attached buggery, but I still would consider that person to be straight. In my opinion, you are a gay guy exclusively if you actually prefer being intimate, not just carnal but truly intimate, with another man.

And it really bothers me a lot that some people are determined to reduce it to just carnal gratification. There is more to ME as a person than that, and there is more than that to my life with the person I'm with. The relationship has a soul, whether other people are willing to see it or not. I actually find it pretty degrading when others try to dismiss it out-of-hand. It is dehumanizing.



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01 Jan 2012, 3:21 pm

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I thought it was common knowledge that there are millions of straight guys out there who admit readily that they don't mind receiving oral sex from men.


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Ain't nothin' gay about gettin' your dick sucked. You're the ones thats gay for suckin' my dick!


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01 Jan 2012, 3:42 pm

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I thought it was common knowledge that there are millions of straight guys out there who admit readily that they don't mind receiving oral sex from men.


Ain't nothin' gay about gettin' your dick sucked. You're the ones thats gay for suckin' my dick!


My sister's first husband was one of those guys.

He also didn't mind that the gay bar downtown requested him when they ordered pizza from the place he worked, or mind that they groped him and put money in his pants when he delivered.

Sis' was a bit concerned when she saw a gay guy proposition him at a dance club and his answer was not "I'm straight" but "I'm married".



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01 Jan 2012, 10:07 pm

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They are thought crimes right up until they become actual crimes.

If a kid sees an adult do something that mirrors their instinct, they know that their instinct is acceptable. If all that results in is a kid who sort of doesn't like homosexuals, sure, that's just a thought crime.

Sometimes it results in a kid who beats the crap out of the gay kid in their class just to impress their dad.


Kids know that assault is illegal. The ones who know this but don't care are psychopaths. Beating someone up to impress another person is psychopathic behavior. The problem here is psychopathy which is not caused by homophobia.



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01 Jan 2012, 10:25 pm

Inverese to any natural process. Anal sex doesn't make children. If anything it hampers natural selection



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01 Jan 2012, 11:03 pm

Telekon wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
They are thought crimes right up until they become actual crimes.

If a kid sees an adult do something that mirrors their instinct, they know that their instinct is acceptable. If all that results in is a kid who sort of doesn't like homosexuals, sure, that's just a thought crime.

Sometimes it results in a kid who beats the crap out of the gay kid in their class just to impress their dad.


Kids know that assault is illegal. The ones who know this but don't care are psychopaths. Beating someone up to impress another person is psychopathic behavior. The problem here is psychopathy which is not caused by homophobia.


So what's wrong with removing incentives for psychotic episodes?

Kids have impressionable minds. I say we give them the impression that tolerance is a good thing.



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01 Jan 2012, 11:14 pm

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Inverese to any natural process. Anal sex doesn't make children. If anything it hampers natural selection
Natural selection favours idiots these days. Stupid people tend to breed earlier and in greater numbers. Someone might say "Doesn't that hold natural selection back?", but if you think about it modern society is a dumbed down environment so stupid people adapt perfectly to it. So I'm all for hampering it in this case.

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They are thought crimes right up until they become actual crimes.

If a kid sees an adult do something that mirrors their instinct, they know that their instinct is acceptable. If all that results in is a kid who sort of doesn't like homosexuals, sure, that's just a thought crime.

Sometimes it results in a kid who beats the crap out of the gay kid in their class just to impress their dad.


Kids know that assault is illegal. The ones who know this but don't care are psychopaths. Beating someone up to impress another person is psychopathic behavior. The problem here is psychopathy which is not caused by homophobia.
Where did you get this ridiculous idea from? It doesn't take being psycho to beat someone up, especially for social reasons.



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02 Jan 2012, 2:23 am

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Inverese to any natural process. Anal sex doesn't make children. If anything it hampers natural selection


It does create santorum


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02 Jan 2012, 3:43 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Telekon wrote:
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They are thought crimes right up until they become actual crimes.

If a kid sees an adult do something that mirrors their instinct, they know that their instinct is acceptable. If all that results in is a kid who sort of doesn't like homosexuals, sure, that's just a thought crime.

Sometimes it results in a kid who beats the crap out of the gay kid in their class just to impress their dad.


Kids know that assault is illegal. The ones who know this but don't care are psychopaths. Beating someone up to impress another person is psychopathic behavior. The problem here is psychopathy which is not caused by homophobia.


So what's wrong with removing incentives for psychotic episodes?

Kids have impressionable minds. I say we give them the impression that tolerance is a good thing.


psychopathy and psychosis are two very different things. psychosis does not imply a penchant for violence.


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