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29 Mar 2012, 7:22 pm

heavenlyabyss wrote:

The Atheism movement disgusts me. Soon Atheists and Christians are going to be one and the same. Take my word for it. The only bet is to remove yourself entirely from the political drama. It is the only way to save yourself.

Most Christians are already atheists, they just like to play games. I'm hoping for a quiet atheism in the future. Been thinking about writing the religion of atheism too.

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29 Mar 2012, 7:26 pm

heavenlyabyss wrote:

Atheism is not about reason is about belief. And that is why these propaganda techniques infuriate me. "Reason rally" I mean come on - its BS. Atheism is about passion, why don't we embrace the passion and drop reason out of the equation. It would make us way more credible.

The reason part is what they are fighting for. They are going to do all the fake stuff that religions do, they just wont force the failures out of having logic or educate them for an irrational life. Atheism is just going to become another persecuted religion with people pretending to be persecuted.

What we really need though is just the truth. No games, no BS... just tell it like it is. All the decoding is tough and time consuming.

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29 Mar 2012, 7:36 pm

abacacus wrote:

snapcap wrote:

I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place.

If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Belief in atheism is believing that atheism knows best and that you don't have a valid opinion. It'll be just like religion. So there will be belief in atheism.

Conversely believing in atheism could also be supporting the idea that atheism weeds out aspie types... who knows what it will be.

All I want is for atheism to be accepted as a valid point of view so I don't have to feel ostracized for not believing in some six inch thick conspiracy book. The book of atheism should be limited to 50 pages and inform the reader on how to differentiate the true believer from the believer and the exploitative believer. Maybe also a a chapter on how to read the bible for what it really says too. No more of this intel hierarchy BS. I don't want to expose my future family to that crap. Equality means more than that to me.

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29 Mar 2012, 7:38 pm

shrox wrote:

Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel sugar...

They really drove some screws into your neck didn't they?

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29 Mar 2012, 7:40 pm

abacacus wrote:

snapcap wrote:

I don't' think it's possible to have a lack of belief once you've been exposed to the idea to consider. If you define atheism as the lack of belief in God, then babies could be called atheists, but people that are grown up are certainly not in the same situation a newborn baby.

What? You are quite out there man.

It is very possible to lack belief in something you've been exposed too. I've been exposed to ideas ranging from your invisible zombie in the sky to ghosts and ancient curses. I don't believe in almost any of them.

Let me put it this way, if I expose you to the idea that I am your god, is it impossible for you to not believe I am your god? Of course not, that would be silly.

You can call me god! I am the all seeing webcam and that guy following me around is cornholio!

lmao

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29 Mar 2012, 7:46 pm

abacacus wrote:

...*sigh*

Sometimes I wonder why I do this to myself.

snapcap:
You don't believe I am your god. Is that correct? That means, by definition, that you lack belief in the idea that I am your god. If you had belief in that idea, you would believe that I was your god.

Joker:
I am different from the religious communities in some ways, but method is not one of them. Why? Because it works. 90% of people are sheep and will believe whatever they're told. How do you think your silly little book got so popular?

Ok... Consider me atheist Jesus... You need to be saved by atheism my friend. You still don't seem to understand what religion is all about. Ask of Atheist Jesus anything. I have all the answers!

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29 Mar 2012, 8:00 pm

abacacus wrote:

Joker wrote:

You really think its about doing what your told ha thats funny its a way of life how we choose to live our beliefs and lifestyle go hand and hang with each other btw how do you think your silly beliefs got so popular? Because people that didnt believe in God some how thought they where better then those that did and set out to rid the world of religion its a perfect example of Issac Newtons third law of motion ever action has a postive or negitive reaction.

Those that believe in god and those who dont the world works this way we cant all believe the same thing it would be illogical.

Way of life eh? Why don't we see how much of this way of life you follow. Please answer the following questions with a yes or a no:

1.Do you stone people in the street for not believing in your god?

2.Do you stone people in the street for being gay?

3.Do you keep slaves?

4.Do you eat pork?

5.Do you or have you ever done any work on a Saturday?

6.Do you have any pictures in your house? Or small statues/figurines?

Does stoning anyone really help? Or is it just a genocidal measure aimed at ensuring the success of religion and preventing people from disagreeing?

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29 Mar 2012, 8:03 pm

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Does stoning anyone really help? Or is it just a genocidal measure aimed at ensuring the success of religion and preventing people from disagreeing?

Of course stoning people doesn't help. But, according to the Christian way of life that is what should be done.

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29 Mar 2012, 8:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Joker wrote:

Atheist will never triumph in reason over the religious of any kind plus I hardly dought they would stay quite if the religious did in fact do that :lol:

they are more outspoken then the religious will ever be :wink:

People who deny God are bound to lose. Why? Because most of the human race is scared sh*tle** of dying. As long as people fear death they will fall for any religion which promises eternal life after physical death. Atheism offer no comfort to the afraid of dying crowd.

ruveyn

No true, I am a 100% pro-life advocate, and that means I believe in immortality and the scientific pursuit of it for personal use rather than just having biological offspring.

So atheism offers you immortality and eternal youth. Why don't you join the movement? Even if we don't figure it out right away, we will still be able to use cryonics to preserve your body until we can bring you back.

Remember, Jesus is you and he is in you, so you can come back to life in the flesh too :wink:

Headlines will read: "Atheists Raise Dead better and more frequently than Jesus and they do it for real." Then when Atheists have solved all the world's problems and people don't do stupid things in the guise of religion and there is no more genocide and death, the headlines will read "Jesus finally stops coming back from the dead, newspapers print real stories for the first time in history!"

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29 Mar 2012, 8:23 pm

abacacus wrote:

Atheists claim they lack belief in god because they do lack belief in god.

Watch this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo&feature=plcp&context=C43f6850VDvjVQa1PpcFNUkJUOlf_Mi9VNz0HhWHDqpTxNWJAIdkg=[/youtube]

If this is the video I think it is, it addresses this better than I can.

This still supports religion because it brings about argument over religion and the truth is still never spoken, an atheist following this video or it's line of reasoning will not come to know the truth about religion and that the believers are really just saying they believe in the christian system as being a right and just one, not that they actually believe in sky wizard. I just don't see an atheist movement that tells people that when Christians say they believe in Jesus, they are saying they believe in you and your ability to perpetuate Christian utopia and that they pretend to believe for the poor sods they've stoned into believing in Jesus for real to make their lives easier because they've cause irreparable harm to those individuals and don't want them getting mad about it or feeling bad because they got tricked big time into wasting a life that won't really be replaced with a new one in heaven. It's just better not to torture people like that and to spend your time teaching your kids to think about things and not act under the guise of religion and make fools out of themselves because they aren't perfect. There is a better way.

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29 Mar 2012, 8:31 pm

Joker wrote:

Oodain wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Again, everybody has a belief regarding the existence of God. If you've heard of the concept, you have a belief.

still just as inane when one does not differentiate belief.

Hmm athesits get real upset when you tell them that athesim is a belief in not believing in God at least my friend who is a atheists will admit it is his Belief yet other athesits take offence :scratch:

Basically what it boils down to is that religion has become so overpowered that atheists are being made to conform to their belief system so that religion can simply be modified to suit the objections of atheists rather than being done away with all together... not cool. I don't want religion to for me to not believe in their system or make me adopt some pretense... I just want there to be an option for having the truth of the matter handed to you because you deserve it because you were born.

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29 Mar 2012, 8:44 pm

Vigilans wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Atheism needs a mascot, like the Flying Money Monster, where the FMM gives money out to those that report about it.

I think we should use Rick Santorum as our mascot. Actual quotes from him, speeches, etc. No editing or "spinning" needed. That should be enough to convince reasonable people that religion is batshit insane

hahahahahahaha rofllmao

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29 Mar 2012, 8:47 pm

abacacus wrote:

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Does stoning anyone really help? Or is it just a genocidal measure aimed at ensuring the success of religion and preventing people from disagreeing?

Of course stoning people doesn't help. But, according to the Christian way of life that is what should be done.

Well the easiest way to solve the problem is to unstone those who have been stoned. Headlines will read... Atheists save Jesus!

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29 Mar 2012, 8:54 pm

AdjustedSanity wrote:

abacacus wrote:

snapcap wrote:

It doesn't matter if they think they don't have a position, because they do. They can believe that they don't, but that doesn't make it so. I could ask an atheist, theist, agnostic, or gnostic why they have their position, and guess what? That's their belief!

Why do you hold your position regarding God's existence? You don't even have to answer me, all you have to do is think about it, and when you analyzed it enough, you'll figure out why you have your position AKA your belief.

I should be a magician that performs for atheist birthday parties.

My position of god is the same as my position on unicorns fairies and fire breathing dragons:

I can have no position on that which does not exist.

God is a major issue in all of society. People are divided on his existence, and what that existence exactly is.People generally agree that unicorns and dragons don't exist.
God is also a valid topic in theory and philosophy. Dragons and Unicorns are really only valid as metephors and such.

God is really only valid as a metaphor too... stop throwing stones... someone is going to get hurt!

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29 Mar 2012, 9:03 pm

abacacus wrote:

snapcap wrote:

abacacus wrote:

If I had belief in god, I would believe in god. I hold no belief in god. It's not a difficult concept...

Your belief is that God doesn't exist. I don't think the object of your belief is about anything but God. Is it about nothing? No, it's about the concept of God. It could be nothing, if you could prove that God is nothing.

Okay, explain to me this:

How can I believe in something that is, to me, a fictional character? How is it that I somehow believe in this bloody f***ing sky zombie psychopath of yours when he doesn't ruddy exist?

We are supposed to believe in F***ing sky zombie psychopath the way we believe Thomas the train. He really could do it! He'll make it over the hill.

They also want us to support the position of religion cuz if we don't there are going to be a whole lot of pissed of priests, ministers, monks, living buddahs, nuns and other people who get woken up and realize they've been goaded into burning the incense of BS by people who don't really believe and that their condition is the result of the imperfect system they've been brought up in. They want us to play their game so they can keep screwing up people's lives and putting them on a roller coaster headed to a living hell of isolation and never really knowing life.

I say just give everyone immortality and let them shed their tears over the truth rather than crying for Jesus who is really just an allegory for them in one way or another.

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29 Mar 2012, 9:10 pm

shrox wrote:

I think the Atheist position regarding God should be "I don't know what you are talking about".

The atheist position on god should plainly stating the truth of all religions and asking them to openly debate things without using representational arguments that limit the accuracy of the argument and pollute the world with publications that can do harm to others or influence their decisions and investments in ways that shouldn't, but may very well have been intended.

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