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07 Apr 2012, 12:45 pm

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Can anyone here communicate with a rock?

the lakota people certainly believe they can communicate with a rock… it is after all their superior god inyan. the creator who was in existence before the beginning...

can anyone else here communicate with a god?

But did they? They believe that they can communicate with rocks, they have no proof that they did.

Until there's proof, I'll believe that they didn't.

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07 Apr 2012, 12:59 pm

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

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07 Apr 2012, 1:00 pm

snapcap wrote:

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Can anyone here communicate with a rock?

But did they? They believe that they can communicate with rocks, they have no proof that they did.

Until there's proof, I'll believe that they didn't.

i don't know any lakota people. let alone heard them communicate with rocks. i know i can't. and i never heard of anybody else who can.

so i simply have no belief of any kind towards the matter. i only know these few facts and thus have very little information.

simply not enough data.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:02 pm

snapcap wrote:

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

because some people are not prone to jump to conclusions the way you do.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:03 pm

snapcap wrote:

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Can anyone here communicate with a rock?

But did they? They believe that they can communicate with rocks, they have no proof that they did.

Until there's proof, I'll believe that they didn't.

you are - once again - jumping to unfounded conclusions.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:03 pm

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

because some people are not prone to jump to conclusions the way you do.

A belief isn't a conclusion.

I think some people act like it is, and they can't express their belief because they are afraid of being wrong.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:14 pm

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

because some people are not prone to jump to conclusions the way you do.

A think a non-position should be what is often called as being agnostic, no? Unless you also define non-position as not caring or not bothering discussing this topic.

I tend to think about belief and lack of belief as positions regarding the issue. In such case, the atheists whose tendency is of that the unexistence of God is more probable, I wouldn't categorize that as a non-position, and certinaly not mere lack of belief. I'd say is a position that points towards a direction.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:19 pm

Yay, another word-game debate!

Also, let's see who can get to Hell faster! 1... 2... 3... GO!!

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07 Apr 2012, 1:20 pm

blunnet wrote:

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

because some people are not prone to jump to conclusions the way you do.

Blunnet I agree whole heartly with that.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:32 pm

blunnet wrote:

aspi-rant wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Declension wrote:

It's just a word game that people play to make their position seem more interesting.

The interesting questions are:

Why do people thing they have a non-position?

because some people are not prone to jump to conclusions the way you do.

A think a non-position should be what is often called as being agnostic, no? Unless you also define non-position as not caring or not bothering discussing this topic.

An agnostic claims to not know either way. But they still hold a belief. They might not regard them very well, but they are still there.

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I tend to think about belief and lack of belief as positions regarding the issue.

A lack of belief is a non-position/belief/opinion/stance. You may feel like you shouldn't bother yourself with it, but you still have a view, even if it don't seem that important to you.

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In such case, the atheists whose tendency is of that the unexistence of God is more probable, I wouldn't categorize that as a non-position, and certinaly not mere lack of belief. I'd say is a position that points towards a direction.

Exactly, they have no choice but to be biased. Neutrality is impossible. They either believe or believe not, in various degrees, based on their personal experiences, reasoning and evidence.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:33 pm

Fick Fick FIck Fick Fick Snapcap what does it matter honestly?

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07 Apr 2012, 1:35 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Yay, another word-game debate!

Also, let's see who can get to Hell faster!

1... 2... 3... GO!!

Maybe God punishes atheists by turning them into rocks. :wink:

That might explain something.

:lol:

No, I don't actually believe that.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:49 pm

snapcap wrote:

Exactly, they have no choice but to be biased. Neutrality is impossible. They either believe or believe not, in various degrees, based on their personal experiences, reasoning and evidence.

well, with the problem of cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance, it appears that complete neutrality may be unlikely, and likely impossible on a personal level. Considering that experience and lack of experience does seem to contribute, even if some claim pure reason behind it, I give you that.

But I can say we can still make distinctions between philosophical positions and personal positions, between epistemology and personal positions, and so on.

For example, skepticism is a neutral position, however some adeherents to skepticism wouldn't actually be neutral.

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07 Apr 2012, 1:49 pm

@snapcap:
I believe it is impossible to change your mind about this. You should write a book about this. Correcting the rest of the world about this should sell a lot of books. That is, if you can convince any publisher that your position has any merit.

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07 Apr 2012, 2:03 pm

Rocky wrote:

Wow I fear the "cough" bible belt would be more then happy to read such a book but I wouldn't buy it.

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07 Apr 2012, 2:07 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Yay, another word-game debate!

Also, let's see who can get to Hell faster!

1... 2... 3... GO!!

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