Obamacare

Post Reply New Topic

do YOU wanna pay damned tolls at every turn?

if the repubs and blue dogs had permitted a single-payer system funded out of the general fund, it COULD very well have been comparatively simple. but having to scrabble for fundage from every corner made it complex. and HSAs are just a stinking red herring the right likes to trot out.

Last edited by auntblabby on 03 Oct 2013, 5:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I've always wondered, what is the person in the toll booth going to do if you don't have any money on you? Seize your car? Tell you that you have to turn around and go back the way you came?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

maybe do it the way the do for the Tacoma narrows bridge. but with a plethora of toll roads that could get pretty hairy.

I'm unfamiliar with how the Tacoma narrows bridge works.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

^it doesn't. It fell down quite spectacularly.

if you bypass the tollbooth sans "good to go" transponder you will be hit with a $49 bill in the mail. multiply that by dozens of tollroads and you can see where that will lead.

Probably won't need booth operators, I have read about highway tolls that require no human interaction whatsoever. You drive through, they take a pic of your license plate and bill you automatically

Yup. If you don't have the money you can either pay it online or you will receive a bill in the mail not to longer afterward.

Remind me not to go to Tacoma again.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I haven't been there since 2009. I crossed the bridge one time, it cost me $5. I had to go to a downtown record store to get a rare album that I could not find elsewhere. it was a long drive that I don't intend to repeat anytime soon.

Hypothetical situation: Conservative Christians capture the presidency and Congress, and ram through a radical anti abortion bill, over the objections of the entire other party and the majority of the American people. They are solidly creamed in the next election cycle in punishment, but the opposition gains are not enough to roll back the bill, and their still sitting president would veto any rollback attempt anyway. How far would you go in fighting that? How far would you want your elected representative to go? Personally, I'd want my representative to use every dirty trick in the book, and possible author a new book for good measure, but that's me.

And, just to cut your inevitable counter example off at the knee, if I was on the other side of something like this (involving guns, cause that's all I care about...), I'd be saying all sorts of things and calling for (political) heads to roll, but I would not be denying the very humanity of my opposition, comparing them to waste products, calling them alien, making sweeping statements about their lack of morality, etc. To me, that is beyond the pale, and it's important to me that I don't become what I hate.

That's the crux for me here, it's like people decrying the the filibuster as undemocratic, except they applaud when it gets used for something they agree with, e.g. the Wendy Davis filibuster in Texas, which held up a law that had majority support. In this case, I'm seeing people say things that they'd call "hate speech" if it was the "other side" saying the exact same thing about them, and I'm reminding them of the position they've taken before about that. Either you condone "hate speech" and tolerate its use by everyone, or you condemn it in all cases, you don't get to use two sets of rules depending upon how you view the issues in question.

so which side is to unilaterally disarm themselves then? which side should just fall upon their swords? which group of American should just DIE then? deny people healthcare and they will eventually break down and die. to expect that millions of citizens will just jerk themselves up by their bootstraps and somehow get rich is just childish wishful thinking. you can't squeeze blood from a turnip and to deliberately price out 10s of millions of American citizens from the health insurance marketplace due to sheer spite and class-based petty hatred, stinks to high heaven. obamacare IS LAW [not merely a "bill" as TP keeps spouting]. let them stop being hypocrites [with all their sanctimonious talk about the constitution and sanctity of law and such] and work to elect a plurality of people to cancel it out at the next presidential election and not just act like a bunch of terrorists wrecking the economy with malice aforethought, merely as a blunt instrument to beat the democrats with.

conservatives would love to take health care away from the poor elderly but they can't blame the elderly for wasting tax dollars on abortion so now lets take away medicare lest the old people use tax dollars to commit suicide by euthanasia.

the fact that TP opposes euthanasia while at the same time opposing universal health care, tells me they just like people [dissimilar to themselves] to suffer to the maximum amount. no public moneys to help the poor pay for health care yet no escape [via euthanasia/assisted suicide] from a broken down body lacking health care.

All of this just makes me think of the Georgia Guidestones, and shudder.