Are libertarians our enemies?

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No, I don't really feel like killing myself, or my mother.

However, if our living off the State bothers you so much, feel free to go live in the woods "independently" and eat nuts and berries.

You'll find that it's the parasitic ones, the ones that are in perpetual need, the takers and non-producers, that screech the loudest about helping one's neighbor (through forced redistribution of wealth, of course). But, of course, they are the one's always benefiting, not contributing, so it stands to reason that they dote on it....

It's enough to make one want to vomit.

It is tempting to do like Ted Kaczynski did, but I don't have the skills to do that at the moment (or the health, sadly). I would prefer if people could just leave me alone, and let me pay for what I want and not pay for what I do not want. Does that really sound unreasonable to you?

This image resembles my facial expression every time I think about how Karl Marx was a jobless leech who got all his money from his rich businessman friend Friedrich Engels

Does people not wanting to die sound unreasonable to you?

Besides, if you can so casually recommend death to others, I fail to see why you would have a problem risking it yourself in order to be "independent."

If people need to kill others to survive because they are either too inept to survive normally in society, or too lazy to do so, then they are being unreasonable if they kill others to survive.

If I were to go into the forest, I would have problems building myself a cottage, because if I do not own the land, it is not mine, and I would be thrown out of it, and even if I own the land, I would have to seek for permission from the state or county, which will probably say no, since Norwegians are very protective of their nature. It is pretty much impossible for me, even if I buy and own the land by myself, to live like that. Furthermore, asking me to go somewhere else because I am asking you to stop stealing from me is unreasonable.

Go Fund Me is a lot safer then these options

Militias is the poor peoples military, their training is basic at best, their equipment is of various style and quality complicating logistic and rising the militia take men away from necessary productive activities like agriculture. As a result militia is only good for a quick war before the nation ressources are spent. As for "private military companies" or should I say "mercenaries", they have been used historically with disastrous results. While they are generally competent as far as fighting go, they have no attachment to the hiring nation and they are willing to betray it if given enough money. Also in peace time, when no one need their services, they can resort to ravage countryside to get their meal. It's not without reason they are forbidden by the geneva convention.

There is another problem from a libertarian perspective though... Say a small community decide to engage mercenaries to protect themselfs from a treat, peoples obviously will have to pay. What if some peoples refuse to pay? (Why paying while there is other peoples to pay?) Then they make a precedent of "leaving the others paying while keeping what is mine" , this mean the others may be less inclined to pay their due, as if they are paying then they are unjustly paying more for other peoples who are refusing to pay. It's even worse if the ones refusing to pay are wealthy. At that point the community begin to break down from their dispute.
The solution to that problem is to set rules on who gonna pay, to what amount and punishing those refusing to follow the rules, by then you have taxation.

He was also racist...so much for the "equal rights" thing hahaha

Well if people don't pay, then they don't get protected. Really, that's it. You do not pay? Nobody helps you when they are bombing your house or whatever. In the first place, I doubt such a thing would happen as it is in their best interests to pay for defense, as not paying for it would A) reduce the chance of the defense being successful, and B) cause people in the community to see them for the cheap bastards they are.

Also, funny how you say that ragtag groups of men with guns is ineffective, I know some people in the middle east who beg to differ!

But if paying taxes is a choice, then nothing is going to be paid for. And privatization of public institutions, such as jails, juvenile detention facilities, and prisons, have been absolute failures wrought with corruption, so there's no reason to think that private armies and police forces would be any different. Even the founding fathers understood that involuntary taxation was necessary, as long as it was with representation. After all, Washington as President had suppressed the Whiskey Rebellion, which was a tax revolt, by force of arms.

The whole idea is that people can chose what they pay for by themselves. If they don't want to pay for roads in X place, they don't have to. If they don't want to have health insurance, they don't have to. If they don't want to have X in Y, they don't have to. The whole idea is that people should be able to choose for themselves. Some people don't want to have X in Y, and some people find X in Y to be morally wrong, or against their religion/morals.

No, there are lots of people who live outside the bounds of "normal society" which do so quite successfully.



No, asking people to kill themselves because they cause you an inconvenience is unreasonable.....

There is a tendency I've seen in libertarians to focus on "freedom from" (ie taxes) rather than "freedom for" (eg chances to participate in the decent society for everyone. The latter they often interpret as personal failure as if individualism is everything and that structuralism and the impact of policy does not create differentials which are harmful to some.

They seem more focused on their own personal freedoms than any notion common good, democratic freedoms, and this concerns me.

It doesn't concern me one iota.

I just think they can go live in the woods and eat nuts and berries.

Pretty sure telling people to kill themselves on this site because you're a selfish prick is against site rules.