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05 Jul 2015, 7:35 pm

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And yeah, automatic weapons exist because most soldiers aren't exactly marksmen.

Full auto capability is a necessity at times.
Definitely so with machine guns.


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05 Jul 2015, 7:43 pm

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Well, here's a Butthrt Report Form (BRF) for pcuser to complete and submit to the internet police.
http://nexua.org/niji/butthurt-form/


That form is broken. I can't send my report to the internet police. Where's the form to complain about the form not working?



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05 Jul 2015, 7:44 pm

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Perhaps showing off is not exactly correct. All you talk about is guns and your avatar has Clint aiming a gun in the picture.
It's clearly not all I talk about but it is an area in which I have great interest. It is typical for people with asperger's syndrome to have intense interests and this is mine.

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I'm not obligated to read your nonsense.

Obliged, no, but you seem to have a compulsion to.

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I skim it because it isn't worth reading in depth and reply if the urge strikes.

So by this admission, you don't really know what you are replying to.

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And no nerve clicked through this topic.

Mmm hmm....... :twisted:

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You shouldn't take yourself so seriously. I don't...


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05 Jul 2015, 8:23 pm

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Go play with your guns...

Did he touch a nerve?

No, I'm simply tired of his wasting time showing off his arsenal...
What nerve would that be?

Autistic person in "talking about thing that interests them" scandal...



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05 Jul 2015, 9:43 pm

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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



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06 Jul 2015, 8:20 am

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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.

Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

And yet, polygamy is still avoided by most churches with nary a complainer from either side. Polygamists have pretty much stayed away from "forcing" others to perform their marriages. It is the same with the few churches that still oppose interracial marriages. Don't underestimate the influence of almost 250 years of First Amendment interpretation.


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06 Jul 2015, 8:40 am

Lintar wrote:
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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

Only time will tell, but I think you are very wrong about this. I know that Christian fundamentalists are good at creating false outrage about being under attack, but that is simply crazy talk...



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06 Jul 2015, 10:39 am

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but if the history of such movements is anything to go by
could you provide proof of this statement?



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06 Jul 2015, 11:28 am

AspieUtah wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.

Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

And yet, polygamy is still avoided by most churches with nary a complainer from either side. Polygamists have pretty much stayed away from "forcing" others to perform their marriages. It is the same with the few churches that still oppose interracial marriages. Don't underestimate the influence of almost 250 years of First Amendment interpretation.
comparing polygamy to regular marriage is a flawed comparison at best; if a monogamous marriage with kids breaks up, it's husband vs wife on who might get the kids. with a polygamous marriage you've got however many parents for the kids, and it becomes wife vs wife vs wife vs husband when divorce rolls around.



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06 Jul 2015, 11:37 am

Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.

Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

And yet, polygamy is still avoided by most churches with nary a complainer from either side. Polygamists have pretty much stayed away from "forcing" others to perform their marriages. It is the same with the few churches that still oppose interracial marriages. Don't underestimate the influence of almost 250 years of First Amendment interpretation.
comparing polygamy to regular marriage is a flawed comparison at best; if a monogamous marriage with kids breaks up, it's husband vs wife on who might get the kids. with a polygamous marriage you've got however many parents for the kids, and it becomes wife vs wife vs wife vs husband when divorce rolls around.

That would be no different than when four grandparents and a few aunts and uncles get involved in child custody during or after a divorce where one or both parents are determined to have mistreated the child(ren). Besides, in my state, at least, apart from any law which would remove children from one or more parents, children remain with their biological parents if such parents exist.


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06 Jul 2015, 12:17 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.

Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

And yet, polygamy is still avoided by most churches with nary a complainer from either side. Polygamists have pretty much stayed away from "forcing" others to perform their marriages. It is the same with the few churches that still oppose interracial marriages. Don't underestimate the influence of almost 250 years of First Amendment interpretation.
comparing polygamy to regular marriage is a flawed comparison at best; if a monogamous marriage with kids breaks up, it's husband vs wife on who might get the kids. with a polygamous marriage you've got however many parents for the kids, and it becomes wife vs wife vs wife vs husband when divorce rolls around.

That would be no different than when four grandparents and a few aunts and uncles get involved in child custody during or after a divorce where one or both parents are determined to have mistreated the child(ren). Besides, in my state, at least, apart from any law which would remove children from one or more parents, children remain with their biological parents if such parents exist.
uh not really, the grandparents aren't directly involved in rearing the kid.



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06 Jul 2015, 12:21 pm

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(remember, not one congressional Republican voted for Obamacare)?
in it's current form, no they didn't.



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Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.

Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.

And yet, polygamy is still avoided by most churches with nary a complainer from either side. Polygamists have pretty much stayed away from "forcing" others to perform their marriages. It is the same with the few churches that still oppose interracial marriages. Don't underestimate the influence of almost 250 years of First Amendment interpretation.
comparing polygamy to regular marriage is a flawed comparison at best; if a monogamous marriage with kids breaks up, it's husband vs wife on who might get the kids. with a polygamous marriage you've got however many parents for the kids, and it becomes wife vs wife vs wife vs husband when divorce rolls around.

That would be no different than when four grandparents and a few aunts and uncles get involved in child custody during or after a divorce where one or both parents are determined to have mistreated the child(ren). Besides, in my state, at least, apart from any law which would remove children from one or more parents, children remain with their biological parents if such parents exist.
uh not really, the grandparents aren't directly involved in rearing the kid.

Let me introduce you to our state laws:

https://www.utcourts.gov/howto/divorce/custody.html

http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE30/htm/30_03_003500.htm

http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE30/htm/30_05_000200.htm


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06 Jul 2015, 12:22 pm

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pcuser wrote:
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Go play with your guns...

Did he touch a nerve?

No, I'm simply tired of his wasting time showing off his arsenal...
What nerve would that be?

Autistic person in "talking about thing that interests them" scandal...
more like "white noise poster gets called out for same"



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06 Jul 2015, 1:00 pm

Lintar wrote:
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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.



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06 Jul 2015, 1:34 pm

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uh not really, the grandparents aren't directly involved in rearing the kid.

Let me introduce you to our state laws:

https://www.utcourts.gov/howto/divorce/custody.html

http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE30/htm/30_03_003500.htm

http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE30/htm/30_05_000200.htm
Has Utah annexed all 52 states?

also, there's like 4 mentions of grandparents in those laws.