Please stop with the excess hatred and anger of Trump

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rats_and_cats
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24 Jan 2017, 10:20 pm

Barchan, I think your friend will be fine. Trump is going to replace Obamacare with something else, so people aren't going to lose health insurance, just have a different one. He's already working with many companies to bring jobs back to the U.S. that were originally overseas. And even if he repeals the federal gay marriage law, at least half of the states have already approved it so those laws would still apply. I can understand and empathize why she's scared, though. Change is scary, the political climate is scary, and Trump isn't exactly someone you'd grab a beer with.



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24 Jan 2017, 11:50 pm

The president can't repeal a Supreme Court ruling
under the Constitution
as it stands


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25 Jan 2017, 12:48 am

Trump said on 60 minutes he's fine with Gay marriage. Now if he gets impeached then your friend does need to worry with Michael Pence.

Also stop acting like being a Trump supporter is any safer than being a minority, have you seen how many of them have been assaulted on tape?



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25 Jan 2017, 12:50 am

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One of my best friends came to me in tears because she's afraid of losing her health care, losing her job (and being unable to find another one), being unable to marry her boyfriend, because of Trump's administration wanting to dismantle federal anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people.

So, no, f**k Donald Trump. Zero sympathy for that vile, abusive, orange piece of s**t.


I'm trying to make a distinction between Trump and his deluded voters. He has done enough that I also have no sympathy for him. I might offer sympathy to his supporters if they can have some sympathy for the concerns of my friends. Some of them mock the concerns of my friends, or willfully terrorize people after understanding the significance of what they are doing. They go in the basket with Trump.


Bigots existed before Trump and will continue to exist when he's gone. Most people voted Trump because of economic anxiety and his job promises. Did you vote for Hillary because you condone her referring to African Americans as 'super predators' or being a war monger? I bet not.



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25 Jan 2017, 2:13 am

Barchan wrote:
One of my best friends came to me in tears because she's afraid of losing her health care, losing her job (and being unable to find another one), being unable to marry her boyfriend, because of Trump's administration wanting to dismantle federal anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people.


Your friend is getting too swept up by leftist propaganda and sensationalism. It's their agenda to create and maintain a climate of fear and paranoia.



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25 Jan 2017, 6:43 am

I think we should wait and see what he does before getting into an uproar about him. There's always the next election to get rid of him if he turns out to be a dud.



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25 Jan 2017, 6:49 am

rats_and_cats wrote:
Trump is going to replace Obamacare with something else, so people aren't going to lose health insurance, just have a different one.

I think the ACA is deeply flawed and doesn't go far enough, but Obama fought really hard and made loads of compromises to get it. What makes you think Trump will manage to come up with something better?
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He's already working with many companies to bring jobs back to the U.S. that were originally overseas.

That's not really how it works. Jobs aren't a negotiation. Yes, you can offer companies sweeteners and tax breaks to get them to bring jobs to your country, but generally speaking the best way is through business friendly policy.

Some of Trump's policies are business friendly - cutting taxes will inevitably appeal to lots of businesses in the short term. However, his trade policies are very unfriendly to businesses and will surely cost many jobs.

Expect lots of headlines about how Trump has managed to convince a company to keep a thousand jobs in the US or invest some more money. Look beyond those to the raw figures. Also see here.



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25 Jan 2017, 8:10 am

Trump will do more than negotiate the return of jobs; he's going disincentivize them leaving the country in the first place with taxes, fees, tariffs. Trump has shown a willingness to attack the brands of these companies that move jobs out of the country which is far more powerful of a tactic that people realize, the POTUS saying these things actually carry weight and you don't want the president saying to boycott your company. Our trade policies, made under Clinton, have resulted in the loss of millions of jobs so I see Trump only making things better. Protectionism does, has, and continues to work so the mantra from the neoliberals that its worst paramount thing you can do is just not true since it works in Asia and it worked in the US from its founding until not that long ago. With the profit margins these people have, they can be strong armed into doing what you want and still be wildly profitable. Like it wouldn't put Apple out of business to make some iPhones here, textiles aren't going to become unaffordable, all this industry that we've surrendered to slave labor in 3rd world ****holes belonged to us at one time so it doesn't make sense that we couldn't function without them. We should of never opened up trade relations with China(thank Clinton again), honestly I don't know how wise it was to open up relations with China period since Mao was even more savage and brutal than the Soviets. We rewarded this freak will he was killing millions of people during the 'Cultural Revolution'.

The issue is that other countries cry about it and retaliate but luckily for the US we have the most powerful military and economy in all the world, any multilateral organizations that try to work against the US can be pretty easily dismantled since it is all a creation of the US. If Asian countries and a bunch of others are allowed to protect their industries then so should the US. We have no obligation to 'share the wealth' with the world, our only obligation is to the American people. The world needs us more than we need them.



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25 Jan 2017, 8:21 am

It's strange how people selectively remember parts of introductory economics and forget others.
Measurements of how supply and price change as countries raise and lower tariffs all indicate that there really are gains from trade overall as predicted. The part that no one, no one brings up came next in the textbook. There will be people who will lose their jobs as both nations move to maximize their comparative advantage, but there's good news because the gains from trade are always bigger than their loss. The government can easily find a way to make them whole, because the baseline is just giving them the money directly (and that would probably be the most effective method overall). Give the displaced workers everything that they lose with international trade and the country as a whole will still benefit from more supply and lower prices.

The politicians on both sides talk about the gains from trade, and even admit there will be losers. They don't take the simple step of making sure that there are no losers, even though it came right after gains from trade in their international econ textbook.

It makes me furious, and I have been ranting about it for years.


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25 Jan 2017, 8:27 am

If there must be a 'trade war' to correct these trade imbalances then let it happen because the US can win, it feels like we are already in one considering how US industry has been victimized. China should not be able to piggyback off us any longer, why are we beholden to communists? Why should we do them any favors? China should be more afraid of us than we are of them, they should make concessions not the other way around.



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25 Jan 2017, 8:31 am

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If there must be a 'trade war' then let it happen because the US can win, it feels like we are already in one considering how US industry has been victimized. China should not be able to piggyback off us any longer, why are we beholden to communists? Why should we do them any favors? China should be more afraid of us than we are of them, they should make concessions not the other way around.

Whoa there. You can say a lot of bad things about the Communists before I will object, but calling the Chinese communists Communists is going way too far. If people get the idea that that is what Communism looks like, the reputation of international Communism could be damaged. So, please apologize to the real Commie bastards, wherever they are... state-run capitalism has won everywhere.

Going back to the title of the thread. Let's stop hating him and figure out how we can manipulate him. Some people will try to reason with him, bless their hearts, no matter how often people point out the futility.

Wow, Rachel Maddow just claimed that Scott Pruitt personally creates earthquakes. She's totally misrepresenting things, as to be expected from fake news, but it's worth seeing.


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25 Jan 2017, 9:48 am

Jacoby wrote:
If there must be a 'trade war' to correct these trade imbalances then let it happen because the US can win, it feels like we are already in one considering how US industry has been victimized. China should not be able to piggyback off us any longer, why are we beholden to communists? Why should we do them any favors? China should be more afraid of us than we are of them, they should make concessions not the other way around.

All trade is war. The Japanese business culture has always understood this. The seminal book describing their strategies, and I forget the title, states that the Japanese don't conduct business, they wage business.


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25 Jan 2017, 10:10 am

Trump put a gag order on EPA. National Parks can't tweet or anything, so there is now an official rogue Twitter account that is posting facts and information to inform people!

It's 2017- this kind of censorship by Trump and his idiot friends needs to stop. The pipelines will create some temporary jobs, then there's a chance the pipeline will leak! Many pipeline leaks have happened in the past, and several aren't even cleaned up! Big oil = big money for the super rich, and that's literally everyone in charge of USA now. Sickening.

People wanted change so they voted Trump in, but most of them didn't even realize Trump has a bit of money in the Dakota pipeline! So of course he needs it to succeed!

The attitude of "me me me, now now now" needs to stop. These scumbags need to stop wrecking the planet and endangering lives due to money/greed. Wind, solar (and so on) can work as a power source if more people actually gave it a chance.

Clean drinking water should be a thing for everyone- not just certain areas, PERIOD.



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25 Jan 2017, 10:47 am

^ :cheers:

<--- Glad to see there are folks on WP who share his same sentiments.



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25 Jan 2017, 11:01 am

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Trump put a gag order on EPA. National Parks can't tweet or anything, so there is now an official rogue Twitter account that is posting facts and information to inform people!


The National Parks Twitter was out of line with their anti-Trump posts, which is why there was a TEMPORARY ban on tweets. Not that people can't criticize Trump, but the Twitter account of an organization that has very little to do with politics is not a good platform for that stuff. The people who run the rogue accounts are being childish. This makes me not want to visit any National Parks and I'm sure I'm not the only one.



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25 Jan 2017, 11:02 am

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Trump put a gag order on EPA. National Parks can't tweet or anything, so there is now an official rogue Twitter account that is posting facts and information to inform people!

It's 2017- this kind of censorship by Trump and his idiot friends needs to stop. The pipelines will create some temporary jobs, then there's a chance the pipeline will leak! Many pipeline leaks have happened in the past, and several aren't even cleaned up! Big oil = big money for the super rich, and that's literally everyone in charge of USA now. Sickening.

People wanted change so they voted Trump in, but most of them didn't even realize Trump has a bit of money in the Dakota pipeline! So of course he needs it to succeed!

The attitude of "me me me, now now now" needs to stop. These scumbags need to stop wrecking the planet and endangering lives due to money/greed. Wind, solar (and so on) can work as a power source if more people actually gave it a chance.

Clean drinking water should be a thing for everyone- not just certain areas, PERIOD.


Yes!!A pipeline burst here in AR and another just burst in MO.They were small pipelines so small potatoes to what a big one would do if it ruptured.Seems like some of the conserves here holler "follow the money" a lot,bit then don't have any interest in following Trumps money.


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