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25 Jan 2022, 5:33 pm

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Oh okay, but how would the left disempower the right, or how would the right make that impossible?

Replacing the judiciary with loyalists (Trump's laws were often stopped by checks and balances such as the judiciary), attempting to overturn ballots with recount after recount, getting State governors to ignore ballots and just return Republicans instead, sowing the idea in people's heads that the election was unfair. That kind of thing. I'm not saying it would be successful, but I think there's a risk that they might get somewhere with it. The system withstood it this time. Next time it might not.



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25 Jan 2022, 5:58 pm

Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?



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25 Jan 2022, 6:14 pm

The Democrats certainly didn’t react as extreme as what occurred during the January 6th insurrection.



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25 Jan 2022, 6:36 pm

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The Democrats certainly didn’t react as extreme as what occurred during the January 6th insurrection.

If the lose in 2024 it will be a different story I think.

They are certainly setting stage with all the voter suppression talk and Biden explicitly saying this years mid terms will be illegitimate the election reform is not passed(it won’t).

All those business were were boarded up on election day 2020 in anticipation of Trump, not Biden winning.


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25 Jan 2022, 6:42 pm

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Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?

To a degree, yes. But Trump really took the "bad loser" thing to a new level. Has any other losing US president ever done anything like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_penc ... he_Capitol



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25 Jan 2022, 7:09 pm

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?

Democratic politicians never rejected the election results. Ordinary people protested briefly. That was it. There is no equivalence. Also, remember Bush vs. Gore 2000? Where you even alive then? That was an election so close that fraud COULD HAVE changed the result, yet audits and recounts were opposed by the GOP, and ultimately the supreme court. Democrats just gave in and accepted the result. There were no attempts to storm the capital to stop the certification of George W Bush. There is no comparison at all to what is going on today. This both sides whataboutism is just disingenuous.



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25 Jan 2022, 7:12 pm

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ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?

To a degree, yes. But Trump really took the "bad loser" thing to a new level. Has any other losing US president ever done anything like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_penc ... he_Capitol


Oh okay. I just felt like it would have been the same thing the other way around, and that say if Trump one, that Biden and the democrats would want to overturn the election themselves. I guess I believe both sides would have acted the same, and one is not more sore than the other, but maybe that is my pessimism talking.



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25 Jan 2022, 7:20 pm

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Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?

First, most people I know who are actually left wing don't identify as "democrats". "Democrats" refers to politicians in that party, many of which aren't even on the left at all.

Democratic politicians never ever rejected election results. Yet, Both right wing voters AND Republican politicians have been rejecting the 2020 results. I see that latter as a step way farther. People with actual political power spreading outright lies is sickening.

Also, complaining that the electoral college and first-past-the-poll voting system isn't very representative or democratic is an opinion. It isn't the same as just outright lying about fraud constantly.



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25 Jan 2022, 7:22 pm

Oh okay, it just seems like the battle is between republicans and democrats, as opposed to republicans and left wing people only?



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25 Jan 2022, 7:25 pm

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ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. But are democrats perhaps being hypocritical about thinking low of republicans for thinking the election was stolen, since back when Trump was elected, democrats reacted that way too, like it was stolen?

To a degree, yes. But Trump really took the "bad loser" thing to a new level. Has any other losing US president ever done anything like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_penc ... he_Capitol


Oh okay. I just felt like it would have been the same thing the other way around, and that say if Trump one, that Biden and the democrats would want to overturn the election themselves. I guess I believe both sides would have acted the same, and one is not more sore than the other, but maybe that is my pessimism talking.

Biden is a milquetoast weakling. Trump is a psychopathic demagogue. If the right actually had to deal with a full-fledged left demagogue they wouldn't know what hit them. They constantly cry about the most milquetoast weakling democrats. They're the ones ratcheting up the division and putting extremists into positions of power while crying about being the victim.



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25 Jan 2022, 7:28 pm

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Oh okay, it just seems like the battle is between republicans and democrats, as opposed to republicans and left wing people only?

Republican voters don't know the difference. They lump radical leftists and milquetoast centrists together just as they lump radical Muslims and atheists together. If you aren't 100% part of their particular ultra-nationalist tribe you are in the enemy camp.



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26 Jan 2022, 12:40 am

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ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, it just seems like the battle is between republicans and democrats, as opposed to republicans and left wing people only?

Republican voters don't know the difference. They lump radical leftists and milquetoast centrists together just as they lump radical Muslims and atheists together. If you aren't 100% part of their particular ultra-nationalist tribe you are in the enemy camp.


I think I see what you mean. Is this the problem in the US culture right now though, is that there are two teams, who both want other people to be for or against their team, rather than people having their own political identities and idealogies, rather than choosing between two teams on several issues?



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26 Jan 2022, 4:15 am

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Democratic politicians never ever rejected election results.


Does the name Stacey Abrams ring a bell?


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26 Jan 2022, 4:19 am

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Republican voters don't know the difference. They lump radical leftists and milquetoast centrists together just as they lump radical Muslims and atheists together. If you aren't 100% part of their particular ultra-nationalist tribe you are in the enemy camp.


To be fair, Democrats do the exact same thing, treating the right as a monolith when there are massive differences between secular conservatives, religious conservatives, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, the new right, etc, and they sure as hell treat them all as being beneath contempt.


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26 Jan 2022, 6:03 am

Conservative author Larry Correia recently posted this rant to his page, and though hyperbolic, it's fairly indicative of how a lot of conservatives feel:

https://monsterhunternation.com/2022/01 ... r-failure/

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Joe Biden has been president for a year, and he has sucked beyond all comprehension. He is quite possibly the worst president ever.

Is this going to be a biased, partisan post? Why yes. Because the democrats elected a corrupt dipshit, who has just gotten more pathetic with age. Biden sucks so bad that he is going to drag your entire political party down, and the mid terms are shaping up to be a bloodbath the likes of which American politics haven’t seen in any of our lifetimes. All that demographic inevitability you’ve been crowing about since Obama? Evaporated.

Democrat congressmen are retiring in droves because they see better polling data than we do, and in the polls the public can see, Biden is the kiss of death. Nobody can deny the stink of failure.

So just own it, and shut the f**k up. Spare us the inane comments about Orange Man Bad. Sure. But Bad Touch Grandpa Worse.

Way f*****g worse.

Biden has accomplished exactly one thing. And that’s demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt to all reasonable, thinking Americans that democrats are total s**t at governing. They talk a big game, but it’s all just platitudes, wishful thinking, and magic unicorns farting free s**t. Their claimed philosophy is childlike and disintegrates when it touches reality, exposing their actual philosophy, which is draconian control freaks who are compelled to meddle in everything. And the less they understand something, the more they feel the need to f**k with it.

Even with big tech and the media doing everything in their power to cover for Biden’s multitude of failures, it’s so bad that the most technologically advanced propaganda engine in human history simply can’t keep up.

Okay, actually to be fair, Biden has accomplished two things. He’s been so sh***y that he’s also forced the media to shoot their wad, and destroy the tiny bit of credibility they had left with the most gullible Americans. Everybody else wrote the media off previously, but even the low information mushy moderates know they’re getting lied to when the media says things are great, but they go to their empty stores to pay outrageous prices for basic essentials.

Remember before the election when people like me were getting “fact checked” and kicked off of social media for talking about The Big Guy’s many scandals, and his crack head son doing some mind bogglingly corrupt and evil s**t? Yet now it is admitted that all that stuff did actually happen. Oh media, I sure hope covering for these s**theads was worth burning the last of your credibility, to the point that Joe Rogan is now eating your f*****g lunch.

Biden was garbage from the get go. Most of us knew it, but half of America was happy to have No More Mean Tweets. Then day one Biden (or whoever it is who tells that skin sack of dementia and incontinency meds what to do) went about doing stupid s**t to destroy the economy. He f****d up businesses and he f****d up on Covid. He f****d up energy and he f****d up diplomacy.

His cabinet was made up of malignant idiots, so vapid and useless that even while crisis unfolded under their direct responsibility they could take months off for maternity leave, and nobody noticed they were gone.

Since Biden didn’t actually campaign, many voters didn’t get to see just how badly Joe Biden’s brain had turned to mush. But as president he has to talk–though they try to avoid that as much as possible–and suddenly the low information types got to see that the guy they elected can’t even f*****g talk in complete sentences anymore, he just rambles incoherently about random BS nobody understands. (and when he does put enough nouns and verbs together that you can tell what he’s going off about, usually the story turns out to be imaginary)

And the media is all “he has a stutter.” Uh huh. The f**k he does.

Then s**t went really sideways with the fall of Afghanistan. They f****d up everything. If something could be done wrong, they did it. They did it ass backwards. So immediately the media and democrats with no shame tried to gas light America that this was our fault for wanting to leave… Not that they left wrong.

Hey, if we’re leaving, how about we get our civilians and friends out first, then the military, then shut down our giant secure airbase last? Nope. Let’s do that in reverse, from an unprotected airport, and give the Taliban the names of all our friends we are leaving behind so that they can murder them with all the sweet new weapons we left for them. Yep. That was clearly America’s fault.

Because Joe Biden never fails. We can only fail Joe Biden.


The White House f***s up everything it touches. They have no wins. Only losses. With one of the narrowest majorities in American history, they tried to cram through one of the biggest, stupidest, pork bills ever. This was just a big stupid Reward Our Friends pay off. Money printer goes BRRRRRR.

Don’t worry. I’m sure there are no possible downsides to this.

The year goes on. Regular people are getting pissed. The middle is realizing they got snowed. This BS is not what they voted for. How does the media try to placate them? I know. Let’s talk about January 6th, Every. Single. Day. Forever.

Because January 6th was worse that Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust combined times a thousand. January 6th was an attempted coup, where the most heavily armed demographic on Earth didn’t bother to bring any firearms. And the only person who got shot was an unarmed woman who got killed by the kind of super cop who leaves his Glock in the toilet. The republic was almost overthrown by a guy in a buffalo hat.

Gee whiz. I can’t imagine why this narrative didn’t stick… to a populace who watched democrats loot and burn s**t for a year across most of the major cities of America. That was the Great National Democrat Temper Tantrum, where destroying the place you live is fine and good, but inconveniencing the place they work is literally the worst thing to ever happen. So we’re gonna defund your police force so that your city can descend into Mad Max Robocop, while we put 30,000 soldiers and razor wire around where congress works.


That went over super well, obviously. Because regular Americans like being constantly reminded that they are garbage and they are meaningless, but our elite liberal betters are important and better than us. By the way, plebe, wear your mask all day and get your mandatory shots or you’ll get fired, while your elite liberal betters go to dance clubs and dinner parties.

Yep. I can’t possibly fathom why this ain’t resonating with the people.

So desperate, the dems keep bringing up Trump, Trump, Trump. It worked before. Except Trump is fading into the sunset, and Americans are more worried about stuff like being broke, jobless, and potentially getting arrested by the FBI because they complained at a school board meeting, than what the other guy did last year. (and in fact, when they think about the other guy now, they think, hmmm… he wasn’t so bad after all)

And holy s**t, on that note, you big dumb dummies… You couldn’t resist sending in the Feds because parents were mad that their kids were getting raped in school and it was getting covered up? Do they not teach “optics” at your Ivy League Clown College? You think they’d make time for that between struggle sessions and social justice class.

It just got worse from there, because as Biden’s popularity (and his ability to accomplish anything) plummeted, and places that were supposed to be safely blue like Virginia flipped red, and places that are super dark blue like New Jersey nearly flipped (and the republicans didn’t even spend money there, because they surely thought, why bother?) and democrats realized they were no longer safe in places that were historically D+12… Oh, THEN ELECTIONS ARE QUESTIONABLE!

Wait a second. Wasn’t people noting that our elections are questionable literally the worst thing ever, and an assault on democracy last year? Yes. But this is different. We need to make elections even MOAR questionable. Sure, something like 80% of Americans across all races and demographics like voter ID, but Democrats losing is Jim Crow 2.0, and if you don’t want the unaccountable feds to control all elections for eternity to ensure eternal democrat victories, you must be racist.

And since the democrats have a tiny majority in congress, and a tie in the senate, obviously the solution to shove through this super unpopular idea requires destroying the basic fundamental rules our government runs on! And when the democrats who aren’t totally batshit insane go, hey, wait a second, we probably shouldn’t do something that extreme… f**k them, they are literally Hitler too!

On Tuesday the filibuster is the most racist thing to ever racist! On Wednesday however, the democrats used the filibuster to make it easier for Vladimir Putin to invade the Ukraine… Wait a second… wasn’t Trump the one who was soft on Russia, and Biden the elder statesman who… never mind.

There’s no way to hide the hypocrisy. They just do whatever they want and hope that you are stupid enough to believe whatever their pet news megacorps tell you about it.

I can’t list all the things the Biden administration has managed to f**k up in the last year. There’s just too many. And that’s with the media scrambling to protect him. Just imagine all the stuff we don’t hear about.

I don’t like to make predictions, but unless something changes dramatically in the next few months, I expect the republicans to crush it in congress in the mid terms, purely off of how much people are seeing that democrats are s**t. I don’t expect them to be good either (you can never go wrong expecting republicans to choke in a cowardly fashion and let you down), however they aren’t the ones currently trying to turn America into a 3rd world country, so I’ll take it.

Happy Anniversary.


Underlines are mine to indicate particular parts I found relevant to this thread, but really the point is to give people a taste of what the mood on the right actually looks like. Correia was vocally against Trump in 2016 and will readily admit his faults, but came around on him by 2020 as he considered Biden to be a much worse choice.


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26 Jan 2022, 6:23 am

^^^try getting some sleep.


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