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Can your sexuality dynamically shift between Straight/Bi/Gay/Asexual... or is it kinda a fixed deal?
Yes... with intense focus, i can become any sexual orientation i like! 35%  35%  [ 11 ]
No... I may be confused but I am what I am. 65%  65%  [ 20 ]
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16 Aug 2007, 8:41 am

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I think it's better just to try and change society into something slightly more tolerant, that way we wouldn't even need straight 'medicine.'

Exactly, that would be the best way.

And easier as well. Prescribing 'anti-gay medicine' to the Christian gays won't stop this being a problem. There will always be gays who don't want to turn straight, and want the same rights. It's easier all round just to give them to people.


The majority should serve the minority. Makes sense to me. :? :?:

How will you be serving them? You'll be allowing EVERYONE equal rights.


Letting men marry men and women marry women will destroy the framework of our society, which will have major economic and sociological fallout.

Why this argument sounds very familiar to me?

Are you worried about child birth reduction too? lol


Just wait till it's all legalized and commonplace, and maybe THEN you'll finally see what I mean.

Look, it already has been legalised in many places. And tbh, I'd rather raise my kids somewhere like Holland or Canada than the US. It'll never be 'commonplace' because gays will always be in the minority. Quit worrying about people having the opportunity to be happy with their lives and start worrying about REAL problems.



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16 Aug 2007, 8:42 am

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Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.


Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

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16 Aug 2007, 8:45 am

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As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason.

As we've already discussed, no one can prove Him externally, but I know He's real personally.
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Why do you live in a country with separation of church and state?

That's not in the Constitution. What is in the Constitution is that the government shall not impinge upon the rights of the church.
I HAVE thought of moving to a country less ret*d than my own, especially if Jezebel gets elected president.


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16 Aug 2007, 8:48 am

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As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason.

As we've already discussed, no one can prove Him externally, but I know He's real personally.

And I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Can I use that as an excuse to stop fat people getting married? After all, I don't like the idea of fat people getting married. It's wrong.



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16 Aug 2007, 8:50 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I think it's better just to try and change society into something slightly more tolerant, that way we wouldn't even need straight 'medicine.'

Exactly, that would be the best way.

And easier as well. Prescribing 'anti-gay medicine' to the Christian gays won't stop this being a problem. There will always be gays who don't want to turn straight, and want the same rights. It's easier all round just to give them to people.


The majority should serve the minority. Makes sense to me. :? :?:

How will you be serving them? You'll be allowing EVERYONE equal rights.


Letting men marry men and women marry women will destroy the framework of our society, which will have major economic and sociological fallout.

Why this argument sounds very familiar to me?

Are you worried about child birth reduction too? lol


Just wait till it's all legalized and commonplace, and maybe THEN you'll finally see what I mean.

Look, it already has been legalised in many places. And tbh, I'd rather raise my kids somewhere like Holland or Canada than the US. It'll never be 'commonplace' because gays will always be in the minority. Quit worrying about people having the opportunity to be happy with their lives and start worrying about REAL problems.


Yes, I know it has been legalized other places; that's not the point. This is America. It's a more moral-centered nation then Holland, for crying out loud, where drugs and prostitution are the order of the day. And don't get me started on Canada's moral, with the ridiculously-low age of consent, just to name one thing.


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16 Aug 2007, 8:52 am

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Yes, I know it has been legalized other places; that's not the point. This is America. It's a more moral-centered nation then Holland, for crying out loud, where drugs and prostitution are the order of the day. And don't get me started on Canada's moral, with the ridiculously-low age of consent, just to name one thing.

I'd still rather raise my kids over there than America. I guess you have different 'morals' to mine though. Yours are s**t.



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16 Aug 2007, 8:53 am

Sopho wrote:
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Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.


Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

C - O - N - S - E - N - T


T - O - L - E - R - A - N - C - E will win out. The pedophiles and bestials will win.


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16 Aug 2007, 8:54 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.


Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

C - O - N - S - E - N - T


T - O - L - E - R - A - N - C - E will win out. The pedophiles and bestials will win.

BS. And if they did, which they won't, it will have nothing to do with gay marriage. There's no way in hell that people will ever stand for paedophilia.



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16 Aug 2007, 8:55 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason.

As we've already discussed, no one can prove Him externally, but I know He's real personally.

And I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Can I use that as an excuse to stop fat people getting married? After all, I don't like the idea of fat people getting married. It's wrong.


I don't like the idea of extremely fat people risking their own lives by being extremely fat, but in itself, it's not wrong.


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16 Aug 2007, 8:56 am

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Yes, I know it has been legalized other places; that's not the point. This is America. It's a more moral-centered nation then Holland, for crying out loud, where drugs and prostitution are the order of the day. And don't get me started on Canada's moral, with the ridiculously-low age of consent, just to name one thing.

I'd still rather raise my kids over there than America. I guess you have different 'morals' to mine though.


Yes, I think we've proven that. You get yours "from yourself", i.e. you pull it out of your a**.


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16 Aug 2007, 8:59 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.


Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

C - O - N - S - E - N - T


T - O - L - E - R - A - N - C - E will win out. The pedophiles and bestials will win.

BS. And if they did, which they won't, it will have nothing to do with gay marriage. There's no way in hell that people will ever stand for paedophilia.


It would have EVERYTHING to do with gay marriage, because they're consecutive points along the continuum of "Tolerance" (I capitalize it because I capitalize all gods).


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16 Aug 2007, 8:59 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason.

As we've already discussed, no one can prove Him externally, but I know He's real personally.

And I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Can I use that as an excuse to stop fat people getting married? After all, I don't like the idea of fat people getting married. It's wrong.


I don't like the idea of extremely fat people risking their own lives by being extremely fat, but in itself, it's not wrong.

Neither is being gay.



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16 Aug 2007, 9:00 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Yes, I know it has been legalized other places; that's not the point. This is America. It's a more moral-centered nation then Holland, for crying out loud, where drugs and prostitution are the order of the day. And don't get me started on Canada's moral, with the ridiculously-low age of consent, just to name one thing.

I'd still rather raise my kids over there than America. I guess you have different 'morals' to mine though.


Yes, I think we've proven that. You get yours "from yourself", i.e. you pull it out of your a**.

No. I think for myself.
I don't just blindly follow the imaginary man in my head, like you do. And I don't try and inflict my own views on other people when they're not harming anyone else, like you do.



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16 Aug 2007, 9:01 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason.

As we've already discussed, no one can prove Him externally, but I know He's real personally.

And I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Can I use that as an excuse to stop fat people getting married? After all, I don't like the idea of fat people getting married. It's wrong.


I don't like the idea of extremely fat people risking their own lives by being extremely fat, but in itself, it's not wrong.

Neither is being gay.


As you define being gay, no, there's nothing wrong with it. It's conforming your entire life to being gay that's wrong.


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16 Aug 2007, 9:02 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.


Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

C - O - N - S - E - N - T


T - O - L - E - R - A - N - C - E will win out. The pedophiles and bestials will win.

BS. And if they did, which they won't, it will have nothing to do with gay marriage. There's no way in hell that people will ever stand for paedophilia.


It would have EVERYTHING to do with gay marriage, because they're consecutive points along the continuum of "Tolerance" (I capitalize it because I capitalize all gods).

There's no reason to prevent two consenting adults from having the same protection for their relationship that anyone else is entitled to. There are LOTS of reasons to stop people taking advantage or harming children/animals. You must be mentally ill if you can't see that.



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16 Aug 2007, 9:03 am

Sopho wrote:
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Yes, I know it has been legalized other places; that's not the point. This is America. It's a more moral-centered nation then Holland, for crying out loud, where drugs and prostitution are the order of the day. And don't get me started on Canada's moral, with the ridiculously-low age of consent, just to name one thing.

I'd still rather raise my kids over there than America. I guess you have different 'morals' to mine though.


Yes, I think we've proven that. You get yours "from yourself", i.e. you pull it out of your a**.

No. I think for myself.
I don't just blindly follow the imaginary man in my head, like you do. And I don't try and inflict my own views on other people when they're not harming anyone else, like you do.


It is harming other people. If I gave you stats, you'd just dismiss them, like you do every argument on the subject.

I'm a Christian, and I don't apologize for trying to adhere to God's principles for mankind.


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