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19 Aug 2008, 7:36 pm

skafather84 wrote:

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In your opinion is homosexuality a bad thing??

Good and bad are purely subjective. What difference will the subjective opinions of others make in the way you live your life?

to varying degrees. my question is how can homosexuality be bad?

i mean if it's observed objectively...who does it hurt? what negative effect does it achieve for it to be viewed as wrong?

well, I believe it can't be observed entirely objectively, if we are talking about pure objectivity, then we should have to answer the question if rape is wrong and why, and answering objectively. I think I sound like AG saying this :oops:

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19 Aug 2008, 7:37 pm

claire333 wrote:

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to varying degrees. my question is how can homosexuality be bad?

i mean if it's observed objectively...who does it hurt? what negative effect does it achieve for it to be viewed as wrong?

I do not perceive it to be bad. Therefore, I am not certain I could give a fully objective observation due to being biased by my own subjective opinion.

But what difference does it make anyway? If I say it is bad does that make it bad? If I say it is good does that make it good? Is my opinion going to change views or the way anyone lives their life?

The fact is, the Christians who think homosexuals are going to Hell are not going to make such judgements because they know that is their God's job and not for them to decide.

Everyone else is simply going to give the OP the confirmations he seems to be seeking.

I am just questioning what difference it really makes.

i meant it more as you were saying that good and bad there is subjective...besides making some people creeped out, how is it bad? it doesn't seem subjective at all unless you're irrational.

i didn't meant it to challenge you specifically...just more that i thought your way of approaching it was kinda dismissive of those who do deem it bad and they shouldn't get off so lightly.

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19 Aug 2008, 7:46 pm

skafather84 wrote:

i meant it more as you were saying that good and bad there is subjective...besides making some people creeped out, how is it bad? it doesn't seem subjective at all unless you're irrational.

The rationality and irrationality of others is also quite subjective.

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i didn't meant it to challenge you specifically...just more that i thought your way of approaching it was kinda dismissive of those who do deem it bad and they shouldn't get off so lightly.

I did not take it as a challenge at all. You are correct in your perception of my being dismissive. I know the opinions of others is not going to change anyone's sexual orientation. So other than meerly seeking aproval, I cannot imagine a reason for seeking the opinions of others in such a matter.

I'm straight. Is that bad? Why do you think it is or is not bad?

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19 Aug 2008, 8:03 pm

claire333 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

i meant it more as you were saying that good and bad there is subjective...besides making some people creeped out, how is it bad? it doesn't seem subjective at all unless you're irrational.

The rationality and irrationality of others is also quite subjective.

that's only at their insistence.

claire333 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

i didn't meant it to challenge you specifically...just more that i thought your way of approaching it was kinda dismissive of those who do deem it bad and they shouldn't get off so lightly.

i meant dismissive of those who view a certain sexual orientation as being bad. you seemed to just sorta let them off the hook with the "it's subjective" thing.

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19 Aug 2008, 8:15 pm

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i meant dismissive of those who view a certain sexual orientation as being bad. you seemed to just sorta let them off the hook with the "it's subjective" thing.

I guess in a way it would let them off the hook. Their opinion is equally as subjective as mine, and they are equally entitled to their opinion as I am. It's like that old saying...Opinions are like buttholes...

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19 Aug 2008, 8:34 pm

claire333 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

i meant dismissive of those who view a certain sexual orientation as being bad. you seemed to just sorta let them off the hook with the "it's subjective" thing.

yeah...they're like buttholes...put enough lube and you shove just about anything in there.

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19 Aug 2008, 10:02 pm

Personally, I believe homosexuality to be wrong. As most of the appropriate verses have been already discussed to death, I do not think that there is any need to display them again.

I do not beleive that hatred should be espoused. I beleive that homosexuals are more confused than anything. I do not see any reason why homosexuals could not make it to heaven, as repentance is the key.

I do not believe that homosexuals should be married to each other. Marriage is exclusive to a man and a woman. It has been so throughout history, and by its very definition within the English language. If there is a need to give legal and social condoning to same-sex relationships (which I do not think should happen, as there is no chance of reproduction), it should be given another name such as a civil union. Anything else is the government interfering with religion, which is a bridge best not crossed.

I attempt, as always, to be Voltairian in my views and communication. Homosexuals should have the right to discuss alternative theories regarding themselves. If anyone is able to actually convince me to change my opinion, I will take my hat off to them. However, what I find disturbing is the modern laws that prevent me from discussing my viewpoint. Now, it is called hate speach. I am not promoting hate, and have a right to express my own viewpoint. Thus, now only those who are espousing homosexuality as being natural &c are allowed to have a public opinion. For all their talk about being about loving and freedom of choice, they are actually practicing toltolitarianism. :chin:

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19 Aug 2008, 10:06 pm

so by your logic 2 men or 2 women can't get married because its said its a man and woman
then change it, seriously
before the bigot christians came homosexuality was widly accepted
look at rome
perfect example, god its pointless arguing with bigots

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19 Aug 2008, 10:07 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

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No growth is possible without change. :idea:

I am a bisexual-and refuse to try and change (which I can't I was born this way)
and as long as these people try to change me I refuse to accept what they say

When I say "change" I don't really mean your sexuality. Of course I realize you can't change that part of yourself.

I am fine I don't need change
I like who I am

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19 Aug 2008, 10:11 pm

Kilroy wrote:

You are quite correct.

Why is homosexuality wrong? Who does it hurt? What evil does it create?

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19 Aug 2008, 10:17 pm

QuantumCowboy wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

claire333 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

i meant it more as you were saying that good and bad there is subjective...besides making some people creeped out, how is it bad? it doesn't seem subjective at all unless you're irrational.

The rationality and irrationality of others is also quite subjective.

that's only at their insistence.

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19 Aug 2008, 10:18 pm

I don't understand why people are so damned offended
are they f*****g you??! !
I mean seriously how do they destroy moral values
the same people who say that say god loves everyone and everyone is equal
but like to leave out people they don't like

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19 Aug 2008, 10:19 pm

Kilroy wrote:

I don't understand why people are so damned offended
are they f***ing you??! !
I mean seriously how do they destroy moral values
the same people who say that say god loves everyone and everyone is equal
but like to leave out people they don't like

You are quite correct.

Why is homosexuality wrong? Who does it hurt? What evil does it create?

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19 Aug 2008, 10:20 pm

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same-sex relationships (which I do not think should happen, as there is no chance of reproduction)

So, what's your view on infertile women? Do they have the right to get married? Oh, I suppose that's not natural either, they're lying! Because God would never naturally make a creature not meant to reproduce right? :roll:

I don't consider your viewpoint "hate speech" as you say, but I do consider it intolerance.

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19 Aug 2008, 10:22 pm

Fidget wrote:

QuantumCowboy wrote:

same-sex relationships (which I do not think should happen, as there is no chance of reproduction)

I don't consider your viewpoint "hate speech" as you say, but I do consider it intolerance.

You are quite correct.

Why is homosexuality wrong? Who does it hurt? What evil does it create?

I'll stop this when someone can answer my questions.

I need answers, damn it!

:lol:

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19 Aug 2008, 10:27 pm

its not

no one

none

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