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11 Oct 2011, 3:05 am

Israel and Palestine need to be formed into one country, controlled equally by both sides. The constitution should outline half politicians have to identify as Jewish in religious beliefs or cultural attitude and half have to identify as Muslim in religious beliefs or cultural attitude. Until they live together they'll never learn to get along. If they have to live on the same streets, eventually each will tone down their own inflated sense of self worth and learn to be more collaborative.

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11 Oct 2011, 4:16 am

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That will be the end of the Jews in that part of the world.

The Palestinians will outbreed the Jews and they will also kill them or drive them out if they ever get the power. The struggle between the Palestinians and the Israelis is an iron cage death match.

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11 Oct 2011, 7:51 am

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With a little more nuance this is how Lebanon used to work.
Of course the founding of Israel threw the balance off a bit.

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11 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

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Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

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11 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

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Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England. However we are recognized so our illegality is moot and as nothing. All states created by force can be accused of immorality, but legality is a convention, not an absolute attribute. If one is allowed to keep the gains of his violence and people stop complaining about it, then no more illegality.

Besides, illegality assumes a supervening political and legal authority. Among the nations of the world, no such authority or state or government exist. The U.N. is not a state or a government. There is no international law making body, and most important of all there is no international law ENFORCING authority. Legality is meaningless when dealing with relations between nations.

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11 Oct 2011, 11:39 am

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

Okay, I'll rephrase it if you want to be like that. Israel currently doesn't have a reason to exist except to carry out an Agenda that is Illegal, which is the removal of Palestine from existence. George III's impositions on the Colonies were unfair, and to be honest what he considered Illegal I don't care.

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There is no international law making body,

Except the UN and the Security Council.

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and most important of all there is no international law ENFORCING authority.

Except the UN, and the International Court.

ruveyn wrote:

Legality is meaningless when dealing with relations between nations.

That's so wrong I can't even laugh at it. Let's start with the Geneva Convention, which governs international law on war, which by the way is agreed internationally, just in case you want to worm out of that one.

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11 Oct 2011, 11:43 am

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Except the UN and the Security Council.

The U.N. is a third world kaffe klatch supported by U.S. taxpayers. It is NOT a state, NOT a government and it has NO means of enforcing its own decrees. It is NOT sovereign. It is a worthless piece of sh*t.

It has as much actual authority as the Duchy of Grand Fenwyck. (see The Mouse that Roared)

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11 Oct 2011, 1:06 pm

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

Seriously, if the Israelis wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, they would have done so by now...

If Israel was conducting a campaign of genocide it is the most incompetitent attempt at genocide in world history.

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11 Oct 2011, 1:52 pm

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is not an illegal state. Where you getting your information?

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11 Oct 2011, 1:54 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

Genocide is not something you just jump into you have to get yourself worked up.

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11 Oct 2011, 1:58 pm

Scythe wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is not an illegal state. Where you getting your information?

Also it looks more like the Iranians have made a grave historical mistake considering what they just got caught at.

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11 Oct 2011, 2:49 pm

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

You mean just like how the UN can be unfair to Israel? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Israel wants to wipe Palestine off the map. However, you only have to look at whats written in the constitution of Hamas to verify that one of their goals is precisely to remove Israel from the map. Why should that be any more legal?

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11 Oct 2011, 3:00 pm

Jono wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

They have distanced themselves from that charter and say they are ok with the 1967 borders.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915

On good faith I will accept what they say now over what is written in 30 year old document none of them read anyway.
or should we hold them to it and constantly remind them of their "original goals"?

This is like that hogwash "the Koran tells Muslims to be violent" even though the majority of modern Muslims say it doesn't
but hey lets make'em stick to our interpretation of their book.

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11 Oct 2011, 3:11 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

Jono wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

Aye, and by radicalizing muslims by upholding the existence of an illegal state you will be enabling it.

Israel is recognized as a legitimate state by many nations of the world. It is not illegal. The U.S. is illegal. It was formed by committing treason against the King of England.

You do realize that it is okay to lie to infidels especially if it furthers the Islamic cause.

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11 Oct 2011, 3:14 pm

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You do realize that it is okay to lie to infidels especially if it furthers the Islamic cause.

It is called taqiyya

Muslims are not only permitted to deceive to promote Islam, they are required to. Anything against the non-believer is kosher in their book.

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11 Oct 2011, 3:21 pm

everyone lies

anyone that says they dont are at least lying to themselves.

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