Has Jesus ever disclosed the name of GOD?

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Джокер город.

Joker City, eh? Can you point to that on a map?

We didn't stray that far off topic, did we?

Well, did Paul ever say "YHWH" or "Jehovah?"

As far as I know, the Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who call Yahweh "Jehovah." Would Israeli Jehovah's Witnesses call themselves "Yahweh's Witnesses?' And Arab Jehovah's Witnesses call themselves "Allah's Witnesses?"

And, what do Jehovah's Witnesses think about homosexuals?

I'm pretty certain that they consider gays to be first among sinners.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

First you steer the thread back on topic - well, kind-of - and in the very next sentence you wrench it off again.
It would be best it you simply stayed on topic.

kxmode: please ignore the homosexual question, and let's just discuss Jehovah's name.

I'm sure many English speaking Jewish brothers and sister call him Jehovah, but for those who speak and read Hebrew it is likely many call him Yahweh simply because that is how His name is pronounced in Hebrew. Our Hebrew literature uses the original Hebrew Tetragrammaton יְהֹוָה as well,


I don't know if Arab Witnesses pronounce God's name as Jehovah or Yahweh. Here's the Arabic Watchtower. Perhaps someone who speaks Arabic can tell if they see Jehovah or Yahweh.


I do know that my Jewish brothers and sisters go to the same Kingdom Hall with Palestinian brothers and sisters to worship Jehovah in peace and share in the same work Jesus started over 1,900 years ago. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19,20) The reason? Jehovah God doesn't prejudge or play favorites. Peter learned this when he was directed by holy spirit to visit the Roman gentile Cornelius and his family in their house, at a time when it was against Mosiac Law to socialize with gentiles, must less, enter their homes. Luke records Peter's words at Acts 10:34,35: "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him."



Allah is simply an Arabic word for god. Arabic speaking Witnesses do not use Allah, they use God's proper name... whether Yahweh or Jehovah. You should know something about Allah, that name doesn't exactly have a benevolent history.

On page 18-19 of the book Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar it reads, "About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam." Why is this significant? This Hubal was a moon god. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of any single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each Arabic tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god simply as "al-ilah". "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". In essence what he said was "Since you worship all these gods but feel Hubal is the greatest of the gods my religion simply ignores those other gods and only recognizes Hubal as 'Allah'." And thus Islam was transformed from polytheism into monotheism. It is worth noting that while many non-Arabic pagans worshiped the sun -- Romans called the sun Sol Invictus ("Invincible Sun") -- Arabic pagans have worshiped the Moon since 2000 BC. Proof? The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship and it dates back as far as 2000 BC. The crescent moon symbol is the most prominently used icon in Arabic society today, and it can most notably be seen on the flags of many Arabic nations such as Turkey.

TL;DR Pagan moon worship is disguised today as a modern day religion called Islam. Allah is really a pagan moon god called Hubal. Hubal was given many different names but was simply known collectively as "al-ilah". "al-ilah" was eventually shortened to Allah. Since Allah originates with an ancient pagan god Exodus 20:2,3 reads: “I am Jehovah your God . . . You must not have any other gods against my face." Does this help answer why Arabic Witnesses do not use the name "Allah"?

Worshipping rocks and sticks, even rocks in outer space is such a silly waste of time.

ruveyn

Very interesting, kxmode!

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I agree. Psalms 135:15-18 mirrors your words: "The idols of the nations are silver and gold, The work of the hands of earthling man. A mouth they have, but they can speak nothing; Eyes they have, but they can see nothing; Ears they have, but they can give ear to nothing. Also there exists no spirit in their mouth. Those making them will become just like them, Everyone who is trusting in them."

Compared to inanimate rocks, sticks and idols, Jehovah "is in truth God. He is the living God and the King to time indefinite." (Jeremiah 10:10)

This is why Witnesses do not have any idols in our worship. (Acts 15:20, 29) Jehovah is the Almighty God requiring our exclusive devotion. (Exodus 20:5) If we share our devotion between Jehovah and something else this would be an abhorrence to Jehovah. (Exodus 32:1-13; Ezekiel 6:1-14)

Hubal was also a Polish partisan, that doesn't mean he was a moon god.

Muhammed as a monotheist supressed the Hubal fans and the followers of other deities. I'm sure you don't want people making up lies about your beliefs. There really is no need to make stuff up about Islam, like other religions it's weird enough.

Well, here is the Wikipedia explanation on the name Jehovah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

It is apparently a Latinization of YHWH.

Which is the perfective form of the verb "to be" in Hebrew.

In effect God's name is Being.

ruveyn

You mean тролльград?

(I hope that soft sign is there)