Are autistics conservatives or liberals?

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Well, till people can be employed, they do have to eat.
Unequal treatment in regard to gender and race just didn't spring out of liberals reminding people of it. I think sexual and racial discrimination had existed long before modern liberalism.
Conservative law makers in fact targeted specific groups with voter ID laws with the intent of disenfranchising them politically. Just before the last presidential election, one right wing group had placed billboards in poor neighborhoods, warning people that voter fraud would land them in prison. So, unless only poor people are capable of voter fraud, I think it's a good bet that these specific voters were being discouraged to vote.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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Yes, but historically the liberals have supported welfare programs over jobs. And I’m not even going into the left’s hatred of big business that, despite their shortcomings, provide many jobs.
In my experience even the old Chinese proverb; “give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and feed him for life” is actually offensive to liberals.


It DID exist but for all practical purposes that discrimination is nearly nil by comparison. It will never be completely gone. Time to move on to some other cause and allow your so called downtrodden or marginalized to stand on their own since it is proven that they can.
Swarms of generally unwanted immigrants, especially in the 19th and early 20th century, prove me right.

I (a WASP) had to show a picture ID of myself in addition to my voter ID card at the polls so I guess by your logic that I’m being marginalized, too. What’s fair is fair.……..

The liberals prefer to keep the not so well off dependent, on the government teat and keep them grateful.

Independent folk have a tendency to favor the conditions that make business expand. Liberals prefer to have the Government more or less in charge of the economy.

The liberals want to make this a Better World. Which is why they are so dangerous.

ruveyn

I certainly am against the NHS model as it presently stands. That's absolutely not to say that I think that the U.S. system is in any way something that we should aspire to, because it's enormously over-regulated (it's not a free market by any possible stretch of the imagination - it looks corporatist from where I stand) and actually does a pretty poor job of anyone that can't look after themselves. There are systems a lot better than the ones we have - whether public, part-private or wholly private. The French system looks good from where I'm sitting, but that model is also enormously expensive (much more so than even the UK system). It's not really about the status (public, partially private, or whatever) of the health care system that really bothers me - I'm happy to go with what works. I don't think the NHS is fit for purpose as I think it's massively over-centralised, with a bloated and often vicious bureaucracy, overworked (and sometimes neglectful and uncaring) staff and an obsession with telling people what to do in their lives. It's lost touch with the people it is meant to serve and it's a very "top-down, do as you're told, get what you're given" type 'service'.

Personally, I'd like to radically reform it and do away with the centralised structure pretty much altogether. One could have county or regional health boards that look after everything, with a budget that is decided and voted on by the electorate of a constituency. The health bods would then have to put their case in the parliament, and they could vote in people with real power to change how things are. There would be national oversight, to make sure that things are going OK and to intervene if there is a problem, but otherwise it should be left to local people. The people should be in charge of their own destiny.



The years and years and years of MRSA scandals has simply passed you by then. I take it you're a supporter of the Liverpool Care Pathway as well, too? Can't have those old people outlasting their usefulness, can we.

The last time I visited a hospital - relatively recently - it was absolute organised chaos. I've never seen so much noise and shouting of people in such a small place, and so many depressing, ill-looking faces. It made me so glad I wasn't a patient. Many (although not all) UK hospitals aren't positive places for me - they are profoundly depressing places of death, of waste, of illness.

Would you eat standard UK hospital food for Christmas dinner? That should be the test, I think. Whatever is fed to the patients should be as good as or better than a well-cooked meal. Food is one of the things that can help recovery.



I don't know about that. The general advice for a long time has been to go private if you can afford it (because one isn't allowed to 'opt-out' of the NHS)



Helped by the LCP, no doubt.



I wouldn't say that's down to the health service. I'd say that's down to people generally taking care of themselves better these days than they used to, along with advances in technology, and probably also drinking less.



I think that's changed a lot over the last 30 or 40 years or so. We used to eat worse than we do now, I reckon.



I'd dispute that. This survey puts the UK at seventh, behind the United States, Mexico, New Zealand, Chile, Australia and Canada. This story puts us at #10, behind Micronesia, Tonga, the U.S., Samoa, Kuwait, Australia, Malta, Qatar and Croatia. (Incidentally, they do say that a fair few of the Gulf countries are well-known for having very fat people live there - starved of many other leisure activities around the unmarried opposite sex and given the pathological state- and religion-instituted repression, the main hobby there seems to be eating in restaurants.)



The British are actually very moderate drinkers compared to many countries in mainland Europe (we're about 15th on the list of European countries, well behind Moldova, the Czech Republic [massive, massive beer drinkers there!], Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Andorra, Romania, Slovenia, Belarus, Croatia, Lithuania, Portugal, Ireland and France.

Alcohol consumption has been falling for years here in the UK. We drink less now than we have done for quite a while. If anything, the British problem with alcohol is that some people can't handle it and have no sense of decorum. Most people are more sensible than that, though. I firmly believe that it's probably going to be a trait that's always with us, probably in a similar sense that it will always be with the Norwegians and people from countries like that. I believe the answer is personal responsibility, lower taxes on alcohol and cigarettes (and allowing landlords to choose whether smoking is allowed) and move towards teaching responsible drinking, rather than shutting people out and hiding alcohol from teenagers.

I'm an anarchist.

What sort of anarchist? A smashy-uppy, left-wing sort of anarchist or a peaceable sort of proper anarchist?

An epimetheanist; inspired by Ivan Illich.

I'm Lenin, he's Trotsky
We're Russian diplomatskis

ruveyn

I'm strongly against all kind of marxism.

Firstly I'll agree that yeah, there are some problems with staff not having compassion and being overworked.

That seems like a terrible suggestion if I'm frank, look at the turnout for PCCs. People are simply too disinterested to care about voting for something. It also opens people up to tyranny of the majority, and of course propaganda- look how the public voted against having more control in elections just because Cameron and Warsi told them they were too stupid for AV.

You are unbelievably intellectually bankrupt. Accusing me of "supporting the Liverpool Care Pathway" is up there with anything.

I don't see how MRSA is relevant to the 2001 statistics. You can contend that it shows that standards have slipped since then, I suppose... even then, MRSA incidence is much lower in this country than America, so PM would still be better served than the in America.

My local hospital, which I visit weekly, is absolutely fine, as far as I can tell. Sometimes the queues in A&E are long (I don't normally visit A&E) but I doubt they'll ever be shortened.

I'm a very fussy eater so probably not the person to answer that question, but I agree that that is something that could be improved.


This isn't a competition between Britain today and Britain in the 70s (or whenever), because both those countries have an NHS. Are we taking better care of ourselves than Germany, Norway, or the Benelux countries, enough to make up for the supposedly failing healthcare? Denmark, probably.

Again, how we were in the past is largely irrelevant.

Apparently the average person only has half the recommended daily maximum sodium intake, which is good, but fruit and vegetable consumption is low: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... r-families

I was quite careful to say "relationship with alcohol" rather than "general alcohol intake" or something. Our binge drink culture is more deadly than, say, the French glass of red wine with lunch.

Maise oie mon frere.

-sipping- wine taken with food in the stomach in the cordial company of polite and even likable folk is a better environment to imbibe the spirits than gluging down booze while alone and distraught.


ruveyn

Libertarian leaning conservative. Liberals practice victimization, to many on the spectrum it has become degrading and dehumanizing. The awareness campaigns promote more mending, which equates to people not on the spectrum viewing other people who are on it as "different". You hear autistic's and never autistic person. Liberals love to play off division and difference. I want a world without autism. As it stands now, elites don't want people cured so individuals with aspergers and other mental disorders alike, will keep supplying money for their fascist drug companies. The design of the human body is not flawed, it has just been hijacked by the cr@p we eat, drink, and breath, which started on human behalf.

The answer is "yes".

Autisitics are indeed conservative, or liberal, and some are apolitical.

I am liberal. I believe that the culture of my country, the land of the free and the home of McDonalds, should make a complete 180 by next year. We'd eat nothing but nuts, fruit, veggies, whole grains, lean meat, and fat-free dairy. We'd give up our smartphones and spend at least a couple hours a day outside. We'd keep up with the news--and the latest gossip about Justin Bieber doesn't count as news. Of course, I'm being hypocritical--I live like a normal American, to some extent--but I'm taking baby steps towards doing what I just mentioned.

The NHS could be better than it is, if it was better funded.

The problem isn't the NHS as a model the problem is the politicians allocating far too much money to things that are not of benefit to the people ie war and banker's payouts.

If the UK adopted a completely private health system it would be disastrous to the most vulnerable in our society. I have seen how private healthcare works in my wife's country and the way in which access to life or death treatment is commodified like fast food is appalling.

Left, please.