If there was an Autistic state would you migrate there?

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...and what? I know NTs who are also horribly unpragmatic. Hell, i can think of unpragmatic NTs who already are heads of state.

If you believe that Autistics can't govern their own affairs, then you believe that they are at least worse than NT's which places you closer to the camp that we think we can't do good. The idea of an autistic nation is a strive towards equality.

Jewish people generally don't get a choice where they are born either, nonetheless Israel was still formed. While I personally detest the policies of the state of Israel it is hard to deny that the stake of Jewish people, especially in the middle east has improved..

I haven't ignored this point. However you did ignore where i said that my acquaintance has identified an unwanted land area in Europe and is travelling there this April to investigate the feasibility of establishing a state there.

This wouldnt be the case as the land area my contact is interested in represents a political conflict of interest to local countries to regard as their own territory. No countries would be giving up land since they aren't regarding it as theirs in the first place.

If there was an Autistic state would you migrate there?

Jewish people generally don't get a choice where they are born either, nonetheless Israel was still formed. While I personally detest the policies of the state of Israel it is hard to deny that the stake of Jewish people, especially in the middle east has improved.

I haven't ignored this point. However you did ignore where i said that my acquaintance has identified an unwanted land area in Europe and is travelling there this April to investigate the feasibility of establishing a state there.

This wouldnt be the case as the land area my contact is interested in represents a political conflict of interest to local countries to regard as their own territory. No countries would be giving up land since they aren't regarding it as theirs in the first place.
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I am afraid there is no unclaimed or unwanted territories left in either of the American continents.

I still vote for setting up an Autist phyle, with communes and enclaves all around the world. Come up with a few good business ideas to employ the members, split the shares 50-50 between the employee-owners and the phyle, get enough money to fund the support needed. Run schools, sheltered housing, those sorts of things.

I saw pictures of Croatian ustashi warriors using a saw to cut one Serb's throat...and pictures of starved Serbian children in the concentration camps...pictures of Serbian babies shot dead few decades ago....and of course that was followed by the retribution of some Serbian military formations, who did the same to Croats and Muslims....so creating a state here is beyond sanity. Who rational would want to live so close to such people?

Don't worry Janissy, sooner will Earth start to turn around the Moon,

Yet somebody has successfully claimed territory and founded a state that was sandwiched between those two countries. Don't believe me? Google Jeremiah Heaton!

What do you do with the NT offspring of autistic parents? Give them ABA?

Yet somebody has successfully claimed territory and founded a state that was sandwiched between those two countries. Don't believe me? Google Jeremiah Heaton!

And how many states have recognized his claim? Or have taken in serious.

Equally horrible things have happened in Egypt and Sudan much more recently. Even you must admit, Booya that these countries are much more brutal and backward than yours.

If you want to go down the "genocide" road-- which I will in no way, shape, or form deny is just over the horizon, and not just for us but for all the "disabled"-- please consider this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hiding ... (biography)

The ten Boom family weren't the only ones. By any stretch of the imagination. How many Jews got through, or got out of Europe alive, because of "Aryan" or "gentile" sympathizers??

Enough to populate Israel a few times over??

Who eventually took up arms and put a stop to it all?? The Armies of Jacob?? The Homosexual Battalion?? The Romani Corps?? The Disabled Detail??

Try again. Try EVERYBODY. Good people, who were not willing to allow evil men to win by doing nothing.

"To bow and sue for grace with suppliant knee, that were an ignomy beneath this fall," and all that. I'm not (quite) talking about sucking NT cock and pleading for them to use their great superiority to protect our miserable lives in exchange for our grateful servitude throughout the generations or any suchlike as that, but we'll do better for our ability to survive by working hard to take care of ourselves, looking out for our neighbors, and generally being part of society.

But how many of us have heard of Jasenovac or the horrors that were perpetrated there by Croatian fascists? Known as “the Auschwitz of the Balkans,” it was the largest of a network of camps established by the independent state of Croatia, which the Nazis set up on April 10, 1941.

Hitler assigned the task of ruling Croatia to Ante Pavelic, head of the fascist Ustashe movement, which vowed to rid the country of Serbs, Jews and other minorities.

Following in the Germans’ footsteps, Pavelic passed racial laws against the Jews, imposed restrictions on their freedom of movement and banned them from various professions.

Ultimately, the Ustashe murdered more than 30,000 Jews, or 75 percent of the country’s prewar Jewish community.

But it was the two million Serbs then living in Croatia who were the primary targets of Pavelic and his quislings.

With a bloodlust rivaled only by that of their Nazi patrons, the Ustashe set about the task of “cleansing” Croatian soil by torching Serb villages, beheading priests and herding Serbian worshipers into Orthodox churches before setting them alight. Over 200,000 Serbs were forcibly converted to Catholicism, with the active help and encouragement of the Archbishop of Zagreb, Aloysius Stepinac.

But it was at the Jasenovac camp that the Croats unleashed their most bestial cruelty, by many accounts killing at least several hundred thousand people in an orgy of indescribable savagery.

Jasenovac had no gas chambers or murder machines, so each killing had to be carried out the old-fashioned way: with knives, bars, axes or even hammers.

If Auschwitz was the epitome of mechanized murder, Jasenovac was the embodiment of manually orchestrated massacre.

In an interview that appeared earlier this month in the Serbian newspaper Politika, Jasa Almuli, a 95-year old author and journalist who previously served as president of the Belgrade Jewish community, described Jasenovac as “barbaric,” saying that “the murders were predominantly carried out manually.”

“Very seldom did they use bullets,” he said, “because they believed the victims ‘didn’t merit it.’” Almuli went on to describe some of the Ustashe’s methods, which included cutting out the eyes of their victims and slitting their throats, throwing live prisoners into brick furnaces and poisoning children.

The Ustashe even employed a special knife they called a “Srbosjek”, or “Serb-cutter,” to slaughter as many Serbs as possible.

There are numerous detailed accounts of the malevolence that was perpetrated at the camp. Eduard Sajer, a Jew from southeastern Bosnia and Herzegovina, was imprisoned in Jasenovac in November 1941. His parents and four of his five siblings were murdered there, and in an interview for the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, he recounted some of the Ustashe’s chilling practices, which included the use of blowtorches and welding rods for torturing inmates.

Sajer also described how his younger brother was bludgeoned to death by Croatian guards with a sledgehammer before his own eyes, and how he watched in horror as a group of Jews from Sarajevo were burned alive.

After the war and the establishment of Communist Yugoslavia, the camp was bulldozed and Yugoslav leader Josip Broz Tito sought to suppress the story of Jasenovac because he didn’t want it getting in the way of creating a new Yugoslav identity.

As a result, Croats were not forced to come to terms with their past or their dark deeds, a reality that continued even after the demise of Yugoslavia and Croatian independence.

Indeed, even though Croatian leaders have traveled to Jerusalem to offer words of apology at the Knesset, the legacy of the Ustashe remains very much alive and even admired among some Croats.

For example, a year and a half ago, in December 2011, large memorial masses were held in two Catholic churches in the Croatian cities of Zagreb and Split for Ustashe leader Pavelic, despite the fact that he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Can you imagine a similar event taking place in Rome for Mussolini or in Berlin for Hitler? One of the most popular musical groups in Croatia, the Thompson rock band, has drawn tens of thousands to its concerts, where many young people have come proudly dressed in Ustashe uniforms. The band has also included Ustashe slogans in some of its songs, and has even sung lyrics calling for the elimination of Serbs.

A key part of the problem lies in the fact that the memorial museum erected by Croatia at the Jasenovac site seems to have been deliberately designed to obfuscate the true nature of what took place there.

According to Dr. Efraim Zuroff of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the exhibition at Jasenovac is an “educational disaster.” He says that it “speaks of the Ustashe without explaining who they are or even what their ideology was,” and that it does not even contain any photos of the Ustashe commanders of the camp or those who perpetrated the mass murder.

“If they don’t teach properly about what the Ustashe did at Jasenovac,” Zuroff told me, “one can only imagine what they are teaching in the schools in Croatia.”

A few weeks ago, a former board member of the Jasenovac museum also raised serious concerns about the nature of the exhibition. In a letter addressed to foreign ambassadors in Zagreb, Julija Kos said that the museum display presented a false image of what took place, calling it “blurred” and “systematic in avoiding a clear presentation of the information.” For over seven years, Kos wrote, she had “persistently pleaded with high government officials to do something to fix the problem,” but they had refused.

You had better stop detesting the policies of the state of Israel in a hurry because those policies are what is needed when you create a country out of land other people are already living on. That the governance over those people is obscure because it doesn't officially belong to a country makes it more dangerous, not less.