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16 Jun 2015, 7:50 pm

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no answer to your fantasy scenario which has no bearing on reality? yah, you're right, i've no answer to your makebelieve scenario.

straw man
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noun: strawman
a person compared to a straw image; a sham.
a sham argument set up to be defeated.

Look up the meaning of "cop out" while you're at it.
Hint: it's what you're doing here.

that's pretty rich considering you tried to pretend like we're serfs(uh wat), and you have the gall to tell me i'm copping out? :roll:

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Okay, so let's pretend that we have no constitution nor human rights in general and are all mere serfs.

this is a strawman because neither of these things are true. hope this helps :D



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16 Jun 2015, 8:48 pm

/\ being a little obtuse now are we?


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16 Jun 2015, 9:47 pm

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No demonstrated knowledge - well, believe it or not, I used to belong to a shooting club about 20 years ago. I had a licence, gun (.22 rifle), and for a while it was a hobby, but I just ended up getting bored with it all, and lost any residual need I may have had to make things go BANG! In other words, I matured.


Ooh, ancient experience and condescension, that totally trumps my advanced degree, decades of experience, and residence in the country in question... :roll:


Yeah, okay, whatever. (I wouldn't exactly refer to 20 years ago as being "ancient").



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16 Jun 2015, 9:59 pm

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Australia is a safer place from outside threats because the U.S.of A is out there walking the globe carrying a big stick. You benefit from our sociopathic presence in the world and have been at least since WW2.


I should probably clarify something here. I did not say that those who require firearms because of who they are and what they do (ex. farmers, police, security guards, soldiers etc.) should be disarmed, but civilians who have no obvious need for them.

And this need is decided by you, of course. :roll:

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I am not so naive as to think that there will be international peace and disarmament any time within my lifetime. As for Australia being a safer place because of the U.S., well, even if true it's also completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You're the one that brought up entitlements and how the sociopathic US of A squanders its taxpayer dollar on defense spending.

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Telling me stuff like this only excites the predator in me; you being the weak subject of our will.
Keep it up, please. :D

Hilarious. I don't think I could ever be afraid of someone who has an avatar of Clint Eastwood pointing a gun. :roll: Are we trying to compensate for a perceived deficiency here, some kind of inadequacy? Isn't this all rather Freudian?
It's America's influence on Australia that you were wrapped around the axle about, not my avatar. I bet you'd dislike my last two avatars even more.
I notice your starting to descend into the early stages of trollery. I guess when you know your argument is weak...


I have no idea what your last two avatars were, probably because I had not yet joined W.P. back then. No, I'm not a 'troll', just someone trying to get others to see the error of their ways, and as for "America's influence", for that I blame those in... I was about to say, "my country" but it actually isn't, I just live here... the country in which I reside who for some reason seem to think that we should become more like the U.S., specifically California. Not that, in the long run, any of this will ultimately matter, since the U.S. is an empire in serious decline anyway, with China and India rapidly taking its place.

Anyway, why did you choose that picture?



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16 Jun 2015, 11:00 pm

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Would love to meet you in REAL LIFE and have a word or two;


If I said something even remotely like this, even without all your other ITG antics of late, I'd have dozens of people reporting me for being "threatening", since I have the wrong politics and a scary avatar and people don't consider me to be have issues that make me unaccountable for the things that I post. I'm also not the Don Quixote of white knights tilting at "bullies" instead of windmills, but that's another issue entirely.


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16 Jun 2015, 11:04 pm

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No, I'm not a 'troll', just someone trying to get others to see the error of their ways,


but its only considered error to you not to millions of people. FYI people who live a different lifestyle then you is just athat, not wrong.

funny how anti gay people use the same line to justify their attacks on gays.



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16 Jun 2015, 11:15 pm

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No, I'm not a 'troll', just someone trying to get others to see the error of their ways,


but its only considered error to you not to millions of people. FYI people who live a different lifestyle then you is just athat, not wrong.

funny how anti gay people use the same line to justify their attacks on gays.


Yes, I actually AM against what 'gays' practice, since you brought up this topic and, actually, I DO believe that some 'lifestyles' are inherently wrong and contrary to nature and the way things aught to be (but that's a completely different topic to guns, so we don't need to go into this here). If you have a problem with that, well, I don't care. Some things are just wrong, and in this case obviously so.



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16 Jun 2015, 11:17 pm

By the way, just because a majority of people (like 'millions') happen to believe that something is right or true, does not make it so.



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16 Jun 2015, 11:20 pm

Lintar wrote:
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No, I'm not a 'troll', just someone trying to get others to see the error of their ways,


but its only considered error to you not to millions of people. FYI people who live a different lifestyle then you is just athat, not wrong.

funny how anti gay people use the same line to justify their attacks on gays.


Yes, I actually AM against what 'gays' practice, since you brought up this topic and, actually, I DO believe that some 'lifestyles' are inherently wrong and contrary to nature and the way things aught to be (but that's a completely different topic to guns, so we don't need to go into this here). If you have a problem with that, well, I don't care. Some things are just wrong, and in this case obviously so.


Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe you are the consistent factor in your disagreements with the world?



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16 Jun 2015, 11:26 pm

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Would love to meet you in REAL LIFE and have a word or two;


If I said something even remotely like this, even without all your other ITG antics of late, I'd have dozens of people reporting me for being "threatening", since I have the wrong politics and a scary avatar and people don't consider me to be have issues that make me unaccountable for the things that I post. I'm also not the Don Quixote of white knights tilting at "bullies" instead of windmills, but that's another issue entirely.


Jesus Christ dude; lighten up and have a little fun.

You do know I am a retired federal civilian employee; financially independent; own my own home; and fabulously popular among the young crowd in my metro area and can prove all of this; I just think it would be super cool for you to meet me in person; after all most; everyone else in REAL LIFE DOES TOO...;)

WINK MEANS JOKE DUDE;
INTERNET 101; OKAY..;)

I've always think you are funny as you are so frigging serious about everything; and can appreciate the fact that you are married to a black woman that means you are obviously not a frigging 'redneck'; or a homophobe like the gun-lovers in my area. So yeah; i wouldn't mind talking to you; as I can frigging get along with anyone in real life;
who has any common decency about them at all; and I feel quite sure you are much different in real life.

SO THAT'S MY POINT.

DO you seriously think you bother me; yah gotta be kidding dude; I have blog posts with literally 100's of drop dead gorgeous girls smiling eye to eye with me; do you really think the Internet is serious stuff to me; it's just for fun; just imagine me on a 'Bahama Mama Vacation' all the time;

THAT'S ME BABY..;) AND YES, AGAIN; I'VE GOT THE PHOTOS TO PROVE IT.. SMILES..:)

You are just Internet fun. And again; not likely remotely like this in real life; with no surprise. As I know plenty of Internet folks like you in real life; that are not even close to what they are online..:)

Thanks God for that; the Internet keeps folks busy; that are better off that way online; perhaps; but I cannot
speak for you; IT's only guestimate, and a philosophical gun estimate at that; as far as equalizing goes..:)


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17 Jun 2015, 2:45 am

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Would love to meet you in REAL LIFE and have a word or two;


If I said something even remotely like this, even without all your other ITG antics of late, I'd have dozens of people reporting me for being "threatening", since I have the wrong politics and a scary avatar and people don't consider me to be have issues that make me unaccountable for the things that I post. I'm also not the Don Quixote of white knights tilting at "bullies" instead of windmills, but that's another issue entirely.

trim


I'm sure a few people here wonder why you see fit to re-hash your "I don't need a gun" poem repeatedly in some form or another in each of these gun control debates and even sometimes when it's not a gun control debate but a few of the pro-gun people are present.

I don't own a gun shop or otherwise profit from sales so I could care less who does and doesn't own a gun.

What would it be called if one certain person entered ever gay topic and repeated "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" on just about every page of the thread?


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17 Jun 2015, 8:40 am

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INTERNET 101; OKAY..;)


A person who has not yet, after being repeately told so, figured out that all-caps is internet-speak for screaming has no business lecturing others on what is or isn't "internet 101" .


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17 Jun 2015, 8:54 am

While I can understand Maj. L. Caudill's argument, a gun is still not always the surest way to defend oneself. I'm pretty certain there is no sure way.

Growing up, I was around a lot of Marines and Navy men. My dad was in the Navy. They all had guns. They spoke more about will to defend and protect than these guns. They also spoke of anticipation of attack so as to never be attacked.

I've often thought about these things but I'm not very good at anticipating people's actions.

These same people I listened to growing up, in addition to my mom, also mentioned one "tool" greater than guns if one should find themselves short on these skills. A good dog.

Dogs have the will to defend. And they can anticipate and stop attacks. Additionally, in regards to the intimidation quality, a dog is just as effective as a gun for most people.

Again, I don't believe there is any sure/100% way to stop the most determined attacker



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17 Jun 2015, 10:21 am

You would need to pick the right dog for protection because some dogs are not going to be very useful for protection. But if you pick the right dog, he will definitely be a good protector.


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17 Jun 2015, 10:28 am

When I was a kid, my parents got me 2 Ridgebacks. I still love them so much but they protected too. Not just cuddles. And more recently I've had a German Shepherd. They are all about protecting



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17 Jun 2015, 11:08 am

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While I can understand Maj. L. Caudill's argument, a gun is still not always the surest way to defend oneself. I'm pretty certain there is no sure way.

Growing up, I was around a lot of Marines and Navy men. My dad was in the Navy. They all had guns. They spoke more about will to defend and protect than these guns. They also spoke of anticipation of attack so as to never be attacked.


Think of the user and the gun as a weapon system, not the gun alone. The gun is just a tool the user can utilise if and only if the situation calls for it.

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I've often thought about these things but I'm not very good at anticipating people's actions.

These same people I listened to growing up, in addition to my mom, also mentioned one "tool" greater than guns if one should find themselves short on these skills. A good dog.

Dogs have the will to defend. And they can anticipate and stop attacks. Additionally, in regards to the intimidation quality, a dog is just as effective as a gun for most people.

Again, I don't believe there is any sure/100% way to stop the most determined attacker


Dogs tend to have protective instincts but in order to enhance that to the point of something consistently useful it takes training by a dog trainer who knows what they are doing. The two dogs I've had have been rescued pit bulls, which one would think would be protective. My first one (died two years ago) was a female and probably too friendly for protective purposes. My current pit is a male and shows a little more willingness to protect but I'm not sure I want to put that to the test. My dogs are just too spoiled and I have them for companionship more than anything.

Even a dog trained for protection can be defeated. Not only that but they are a personal injury liability to some extent. I don't know if my insurance company knows I have a pit bull or not but I'm not going to volunteer that information to them. A gun can only be acted upon by a user whereas a dog, even a well trained one, does have a mind of his/her own and can act independently.


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