Why aren't atheists agnostic?

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That's mean. To get my hopes up that you're going to Heaven, and then dash them.

sorry
What about gay hopes?

Last edited by greenblue on 28 May 2007, 1:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well...it depends on the cirumstances.


For example, truth of morals is def. 1.


Is it wrong to steal, for the heck of it? Yes.
Is it wrong to steal in order to avoid a murder? No.


As for going off topic: the original question was to do with atheists and agnostics. Then we drifted into gay marriage...and we're now here on logic. I don't think I've stayed on topic any more or any less than you have.

fuzzy logic aint too bad you know.
when first i encountered it, i thought mmm.. this is crap, and it was the engineers who seemed to expound it. but theres more to it than that.
dont ask me what because i cant tell you right now, but dont dismiss it.

I think some of the bible's commandments make some pretty good moral principles. Others make some good coasters.

But... you're full of estrogen. How does someone whose main sex hormone is estrogen be attracted to someone else whose main hormone is estrogen EXACTLY the same way as someone whose main hormone is testosterone is attracted to someone whose main hormone is estrogen? That would be a different chemistry.

Also, something equally pertinent to your quote post is the fact that you have no idea what heterosexual attraction feels like. So, you could not possibly compare the two feelings as identical. Unless, as you once claimed, you are god.

And greenblue, the fact that I ask question shows my willingness to admit my ignorance on subjects I have little experience with. Data on Star Trek: TNG said (no doubt quoting some philosopher), something like "The first step to knowledge is to say, 'I do not know'."

Perhaps we should find a bisexual wrongplanteer. Ask them.

Coy.

There are a lot of things that we don't know, I recognize there are things that I really don't know.
I honestly don't know if there is a God or not. I say 60/40 the chance God may exist. But not the god mentioned in the Bible, Definitly not.

Now that you mentioned TNG, you should watch the episode "Who watches the watchers"

Gay hopes are like any other hopes. If they've placed their hopes in something true, then things will turn out alright for them.

Oh, but greenblue, it's so much simpler than that! It only "depends on the circumstances" if you don't understand the question. (I should have made that option 3.)

Well, I've mentioned in another thread that I've "switched teams" before. The vast, vast majority of my life I've like only girls, but I experimented in trying to be attracted to guys so I could identify with what gays feel. And I can be attracted to guys when I decide to be, but, to answer our current discussion, my attraction toward men feels somewhat different than my attraction toward men. More intense -- TOO intense. That's probably because the main sex hormone in men is more forcefully-driving then estrogen is, so it's simply like a "sexual overload" when I go the guy route. Not always that way, though. But, yes, I'd go with your suggestion of asking a lifelong bisexual what the two attractions feel like.

I imagine bisexuals simply tap into the physical fact that both men and women are sexual creature, just manifested differently. So they probably just tap into that basic sexuality present in both genders somehow.

Why so narrow-minded, gb? You can say Yahweh is an unlikely god, if you like, but "definitely not" existant? Guess you do believe in absolute truth after all!

You just pointed out the reason you defend your belief.

Perhaps that is the main motive for all religious people for believing what they believe, dispite anything else, defending it, never changing their minds, ever.

It would be very shocking to realize that the Promised Land or Heaven could be just an invention. It is something many are not willing to accept, not even think about it. That is your reason of believing the Bible as the absolute truth. But nothing is perfect, not even the Bible.

I understand, I was christian before, and the thought of living in an utopian christian society is wonderful, it would be awsome to live in a land where there is no desease, no hunger, no wars, no death, no suffering, and also no gays <-- that's a price you have to pay I suppouse.

Yes some of the more reasonable minded people do not express their views of disgust so openly which I think is such a shame. Maybe if everybody voiced their opinions of disgust on topics like this, things like this wouldn't be debated as much, but don't feel alone on this topic. If she's that deranged enough to have a little wedding ceremony with a dolphin! Who's to say that nothing else is going on between her and that poor dolphin. I love my animals but I certainly won't go out and have a wending ceremony with my cat! obviously she has a different kind of love between a animal then what any normal! person would have. I am still standing by my statement it's perverted. As for the same sex marriage deal the real issue isn't same sex marriage Lets talk about the real question can the state sanction and create a marriage any marriage same sex or otherwise. . . . . If the answer is yes, that it's the state that defines the marriage, well if they can create a marriage now they can define the terms. Whether its male male or female female or otherwise. Because we already have given them the right to make that decision. I personally think the institution of marriage is an abomination. The state has no place in a marriage. The marriage certificate invites the state to participate and ultimately have control over a family unit. Marriage should be a covenant between two people and God the state has no place in it.

Heaven is a strong incentive -- how could it not be?? Eternity with the God I love, and all my spiritual family. But I might as well believe in Never Never Land if utopian life was all I was looking for. No, my personal, spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ is all the motivation I need to remain Christian. It's something you don't understand, along with many of those in this thread. I mean, if you miss THAT, then I must look like a crazy person to you! Because THAT, that relationship with God, is what it's all about my friend.