Incel terrorism

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That escalated quickly.

The discussion has changed the thread as it started about isn’t what it’s about anymore. And a few people here have Stated they talking about all incels not just the terrorist ones, if you were so biased you’d see that.
Or do you agree the only way men are involuntary single is cause they all creepy repulsive misogynistic douches? Answer careful or you calling quite a lot of the users here that. I’d hope Alex wouldn’t be ok with such language about single aspie men. I’m not single by choice. I just don’t live up to societies standards as many male aspies don’t so we aren’t creepy repulsive misogynistic douches.
So she’s basically saying our issues our struggles are invalid and don’t exist. You yourself have stated society and by part women judge and treat men unfairly based on how people treated you thinking your male, yet you defend her post? Why? Because she’s a female feminist and so are you? That’s how it comes across. Really seems few mods here are too biased towards feminism. Which I find worrisome.
If I said I don’t believe female incels exist if their single it’s cause their creepy repulsive, fat feminist, I’d get a warning and my post would be removed. So why’s her post ok? Why’s it ok to attack lonely single men? I’d report it but being again the mods are biased maybe I’m better off emailing Alex and asking if describing lonely single men in such a way is ok on his site.
All it takes to be involuntary celibate is to be ugly.

Brilliant, take no prisoners

If the discussion is only restricted to incel terrorists then you simply deal with them the same as any terrorist. It seems sort of like asking how do you deal with axe murderers, the same as the rest of the murderers.

Though I'm not confident they fit the definition of terrorist. Are they simply murderers? School shooters aren't terrorists for instance they're murderers.

They seem to be talking about incel forum incels of the variety that get together and bash women or bash 'Chads and Stacies' for being of a more privileged genetic stock.

Generally those aren't murderers but you have a whole spectrum from lonely guys looking for a place to vent, or even find other lonely guys to talk about their problems with on one hand and at the other end guys who'd make you wonder perhaps how far they are from doing something absurd.

It doesn't seem like anyone's talking about all incels, it doesn't seem like anyone's strictly speaking of incels who've actually carried out mass murders or attacks. It seems like there's a sliding scope with every poster and every page and it would probably be a lot of fun to see how much each person has oscillated all over the map with respect to the next. I don't think either side of the argument has strictly talked about incels who've actually perpetrated crimes - for as much as they'd apparently like it to stay that way they can't control each other either and I've experienced what it's like, even when in good faith I tried to moderate a conversation or keep it on the high road and even people who agreed with me either ignored me or told me to sod off.

I think what's important here, before we all jump down each other's throats, is to maybe pay attention to whose talking to who and what provoked them because it's difficult to shift levels of analysis across people. The OP may have intended this to only about incel killers, at the same time there have been plenty of posts in this thread that show a lot of misunderstandings about broad corners and swaths of what the male experience is and some posts have indeed painted with a relatively broad brush.

I also think one thing comes gratis with these sorts of dialogs, especially on the internet - that is if you actually participate or get engaged in the conversation it's almost guaranteed that someone, somewhere, will tell you you're an awful x, y, or z. It's almost so sure a thing that if it doesn't happen you either haven't engaged or the OP may have gotten extremely lucky in their pool of responders. Either way though I think the challenge is trying to walk people down off the emotional ledges or, at a minimum, get them to clarify their points or expand on things they're glossing over if it seems like something that's motivating most of their fire in the conversation is hidden behind a screen of name-calling or declarations that they have a white hat and anyone who disagrees with them is in the black hat gang. I think my least favorite thing is that, ie. how quickly people need to make things Manichean. Complex problems, especially across groups, are almost never that simple and I haven't come across a situation or topic yet where further insight wasn't helpful for looking at, understanding, and possibly even helping to resolve it.

While this may be partially true for people who subscribe to "incel" ideology. Please don't make these generalizations about people who struggle with dating, relationships and sex.

They promote a destructive ideology, have fierce ingroup loyalty and hatred for those who don't subscribe to their views (often known as "chads" and "stacies"), and they have online communities where they discuss the finer points of their ideology. Some of the more radical members try to enforce their values through intimidation and violence, and they have a great admiration for some of the more infamous radicals, such as Elliott Roger, who they consider to be a martyr.

This is textbook terrorism. Any meaningful definition of terrorism would have to include incel terrorists.

Just to clarify; I don't mean to make any generalization about people who have difficulties with relationships. I'm using "incel" to denote a specific ideology and the men who subscribe to it, because I don't believe the word can be divorced from the ideology it represents. Anyone who self-describes as an incel should accept responsibility for that word and all that it implies.

All this rings a bell....

Incel means involuntary celibate. That’s it that’s all. It existed before such violent groups.
Theres female incels too.

If tomorrow some group identified as men dads and did actions would you condem all dads. You said that people are only involuntarily celibate bcause they are creepy repulsive misogynistic douches. That’s super offensive. If I or any man said similar thing about women we’d be warned.
“I don't even like the word incel, because I don't believe it's possible to be "involuntarily" celibate. Being a creepy repulsive misogynistic douche is totally voluntary.”
We’re are you denoting incel movement as you claim? Or do you not realize that involuntarily celibate means ones nit have sex by their own choice?

Anyone who self identifies as a feminist then has responsibility for that word and all he extremist who use it.

I’m an incel. I’m involuntarily celibate, so is fluffy and hurtloam. We are not celibate by choice. Only difference is they’re women and I’m a man so I’m a creepy repulsive misogynistic douche and they’re just unlucky

And rather then be oh I’m sorry I see how that’s offensive, you double down

You mean feminism? They do all that too.
Course feminism is a political organization one chooses to join, while being incel isn’t something one chooses by definition. I’ll probably be warned and maybe banned for saying this but she’ll be cheered on for attacking single aspie men

No, I didn't mean feminism.

Is that a fair question? I only see it as a provocation she made because she feels attacked by the fact that I compared these people to feminazis. And 99,99% of the time it is true, they are sexists whining about the other gender and hating it.
I think my post was very easily understandable and respectful, unless someone belongs to one of the categories of people I mentioned.

From your post it seems you're referring to people who are involuntarily celibate and not just incels. If you didn't mean that, it's ok.

I think Boo is talking about someone who, instead of "Chad/Stacy", might use a word like "infidel".

Easy mistake to make,though.

Yes, it does seem very similar to what the western would knows as "Islamic terrorism." Which dovetails nicely with something I"ve been saying for years, terrorism is a pattern of behavior that can exist independently of any religious belief.


Yes and I do object to the word "involuntary" in this context, because it implies means that celibacy is a condition that was imposed upon you by an outside party without your consent. It means being denied a basic right or privilege that you feel you deserve, and ; even if you don't think that's what it means, that is what it means, and that is definitely what a lot of men (and women) understand the word to mean.

You can describe yourself using any kind of language you want, but if you use a word in a way that's contrary to popular usage, you have to understand that most people will naturally assign the most popular meaning to it, and judge you based on what they think you're trying to communicate. (and yes I get it, autism is a communication disorder, this is a problem a lot of us have)


Yeah I'm doubling down on this, because while many people are genuinely hurt and frustrated by the fact that nobody will consent to having sex with them, most women have had to live in fear of the opposite problem (rape). There's a conflict of interests here, and we should focus on the bigger problem. "Incel" is insensitive to rape survivors, I know many who feel the same way, and I'm not going to apologize for delivering the bad news.