What's up with all the conservatives on here?

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cyberdad
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27 May 2019, 3:45 am

oh right..



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27 May 2019, 4:05 am

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Trump conservatives getting police protection :?


Everyone gets protection from personal atracks.

And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.



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27 May 2019, 4:44 am

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And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.


Funny you should that Ez. Where's Dox47 and raptor these days? oh wait...they got banned for making personal attacks against left wingers...



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27 May 2019, 4:44 am

EzraS wrote:
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Trump conservatives getting police protection :?


Everyone gets protection from personal atracks.

And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.


From my experience (not in the USA), radicals from both sides do it about as much (here at least.) However, the radicals on the left seem to be better at dancing just on the right side of the law even if their actions are morally questionable, so the radicals on the right get in trouble with the law more than the radicals on the left. Usually both sides should be getting in to trouble for those actions, though.



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27 May 2019, 5:01 am

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I could name a lot more than two liberal members who got banned for making personal attacks


Actually I don't know for sure who all has been banned and who all just left and it doesn't really matter.

What I do know is I have experienced ad hominem remarks and personal attacks from quite a few liberal leftist et al members.

There seems to be the attitude of being the progessive ones so any type of disparagement is justified. The whole social justice warrior mentality or at least what smacks of it.



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27 May 2019, 6:16 am

cyberdad wrote:
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And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.


Funny you should that Ez. Where's Dox47 and raptor these days? oh wait...they got banned for making personal attacks against left wingers...

That's not true.

Raptor received a temporary ban over a year ago but is not currently banned. He visited the site last week but didn't make a post.

Dox47 has never been banned (at least not on the current software) but hasn't visited the site in nearly a year.



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27 May 2019, 6:46 am

The_Walrus wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.


Funny you should that Ez. Where's Dox47 and raptor these days? oh wait...they got banned for making personal attacks against left wingers...

That's not true.

Raptor received a temporary ban over a year ago but is not currently banned. He visited the site last week but didn't make a post.

Dox47 has never been banned (at least not on the current software) but hasn't visited the site in nearly a year.


I have noticed broad generalizations being made about left- and right-wingers, but not any personal attacks on WP members with those views.


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27 May 2019, 9:47 am

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Comparing feminists to Nazis is absurd. Few feminists are radical. Most of us are peacefully pushing for positive changes.


Almost as absurd as saying if you are not a feminist you don't believe women deserve equal rights.


According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, feminism is “the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.”

People who aren’t feminists either have a misconception about what the word means (as is the case here) or they are bigots.

The definition of feminism I've seen is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." I think that's the most fair one, as it encapsulates what feminism is all about, but also the fundamental problem with the feminist lens. This definition by default presumes that women are behind in every way when compared to men, and that men are at no disadvantages, and in 2019 that's just not the case.

I think that gender should not preclude you from pursuing whatever it Is you wish to do in this life, and I don't think you should receive poor or worse treatment based on your gender. I also don't believe that there is an overarching oppressive patriarchy in western society that keeps women down, or that men are inherently oppressing women, or that men are inherently more privileged than women, or that we should implement affirmative action in such a way as to mandate it that the most prestigious jobs have 50/50 gender representation, or that men and women making different career choices and life choices is an indication of some kind of sexism that needs to be rectified, or that women are generally paid less for identical work in identical positions with identical experience to men. So with all of that, would you consider that I classify as a feminist? Because most people wouldn't, and I wouldn't classify myself that way.




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It is about women’s rights because in various ways we still don’t have the same rights as men.

In 2019, in your country or the western world at large, what rights do men have that women don't?



You've made some interesting and well presented remarks here, GI. Hopefully others will respond to you if they disagree.

I'm still having trouble with the logic stated in this thread that egalitarians such as you and I are feminists but female egalitarians aren't masculists.



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27 May 2019, 10:48 am

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I've deleted some posts which made some nasty attacks on conservatives as a whole (as well as one that quoted them). These posts broke our rule against attacks on political groups. It is acceptable to attack political ideologies and positions (like conservatism), and I think generally this thread has stayed on the right side of that line, but please do not attack people or groups (such as conservatives).

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27 May 2019, 10:51 am

If you could kindly delete the post referring to people like me as ignorant and / or "bigots", I'd be most grateful.


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27 May 2019, 11:00 am

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If you could kindly delete the post referring to people like me as ignorant and / or "bigots", I'd be most grateful.

I just looked through the whole thread and couldn't find it. Would you be so kind as to report it? Thank you.



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27 May 2019, 11:21 am

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=376508&start=180#p8242934

She might be referring to this one. When looking at the definition I listed, I don’t think it’s inappropriate, but certainly, delete it if you see fit.



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27 May 2019, 11:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
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"She cant even speak English ! "



Like someone pls explain what the hell on earth after all is liberalism .


What does Chelsea Handler have to do with liberalism?



A black woman (not too black) will get elected before a white woman does.


And what does that have to do with posting twitter feed from Chelsea Handler??



well she got a free pass since our amigos and amigas in the kitchens and construction sites neither understand english, nor have the time to read celebrities twitter feed, nor have the time to learn english to be able to understand celebeities twitter feed since they have to work two jobs to barely pay rent , nor will ever be able to understand anything that goes around them so somebody pls have them have an interpreter present to explain to them what is going on, in case they understand neither english nor spanish the two colonizer language https://www.univision.com/univision-new ... terpreters no wonder they were not voting for tim kaine.



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27 May 2019, 11:39 am

ollychan wrote:
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"She cant even speak English ! "



Like someone pls explain what the hell on earth after all is liberalism .



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I think its time for tim kaine to deliver a speech in mam, k'iche and nahuatl so our indigenous latinamerican@ immigrants know who gaby pacheco is , what does she do or how to contact her .



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27 May 2019, 11:52 am

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Comparing feminists to Nazis is absurd. Few feminists are radical. Most of us are peacefully pushing for positive changes.


Almost as absurd as saying if you are not a feminist you don't believe women deserve equal rights.


According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, feminism is “the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.”

People who aren’t feminists either have a misconception about what the word means (as is the case here) or they are bigots.


She might be referring to this one. When looking at the definition I listed, I don’t think it’s inappropriate, but certainly, delete it if you see fit.


I see the definition that you cite is as quoted. I would select the following as a more specific definition: "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes."

Egalitarianism: "the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities."

Odd how it the Webster definition of feminism seems more or less identical to the above.



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27 May 2019, 12:05 pm

Just in case Walrus does see the post as needing removing lets post it again and quote it again to make his life easier :lol:


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