White privilege isn't real - Jordan Peterson

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23 Feb 2021, 12:32 am

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[...] and that it all evens out.

...It doesn't. That's not how it works. Stop fixating on that.


Oh okay I thought it did when going by what I have heard from other people, the people I know, plus also my own experiences. But I could be wrong.



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23 Feb 2021, 12:52 am

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Now that's a lot better than any lecture or interview with Jordan Peterson. Nuance is a word that JP just doesn't seem to have in his dictionary. Context is another. I especially like what the guy she was interviewing said. Paraphrasing it: "Even when you actually are a victim, ask yourself what role you had in finding yourself in that situation. That's empowering." And it really is, no matter who you are.

It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then? I didn't know that. Should probably keep it in mind.


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23 Feb 2021, 12:58 am

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It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then?


Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.



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23 Feb 2021, 12:59 am

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The standards for mortgage acceptance might be much higher for blacks than for whites.

A black applicant might require a 800 FICO score, say. And a white applicant a 720.


Any reason for this?
Do blacks have less reliable income histories?

I would have thought, when it comes to the bank's profits, they would be colour blind.
What you say defies capitalism.
'Interesting'. 8)



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23 Feb 2021, 1:01 am

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It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then?


Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.


Please tone down your left-wing sanctimony. :mrgreen:



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23 Feb 2021, 1:03 am

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It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then?


Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.


Please tone down your left-wing sanctimony. :mrgreen:


Well what left winger ever says white people are born evil?



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23 Feb 2021, 1:08 am

Pepe wrote:
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The standards for mortgage acceptance might be much higher for blacks than for whites.

A black applicant might require a 800 FICO score, say. And a white applicant a 720.


Any reason for this?
Do blacks have less reliable income histories?

I would have thought, when it comes to the bank's profits, they would be colour blind.
What you say defies capitalism.
'Interesting'. 8)


Is there any way to test this? For example, if a married couple where one of the spouses is black and one is white, are there any where the black one of the marriage was not able to get a mortgage but the white one was able to?



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23 Feb 2021, 1:09 am

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It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then?


Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.


Please tone down your left-wing sanctimony. :mrgreen:


Well what left winger ever says white people are born evil?


Collective guilt unequivocally implies 'evil', I would have thought. 8)



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23 Feb 2021, 1:12 am

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Brictoria wrote:

Now that's a lot better than any lecture or interview with Jordan Peterson. Nuance is a word that JP just doesn't seem to have in his dictionary. Context is another. I especially like what the guy she was interviewing said. Paraphrasing it: "Even when you actually are a victim, ask yourself what role you had in finding yourself in that situation. That's empowering." And it really is, no matter who you are.

It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then? I didn't know that. Should probably keep it in mind.


Most people said, in a recent thread, that 'Baby Hitler' wasn't born evil.
If *he* wasn't evil, as a baby, well... 8)



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23 Feb 2021, 1:14 am

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Interesting, he seems to be well known in Brasil but I have to admit not hearing about him before.

I was talking to my Finnish friend the other day, she googled it, it turns out he's been translated into Finnish. Bras Cubasin kuolemanjälkeiset muistelmat. :mrgreen: I recommend it!

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Brasil does have white privilege when it comes to land ownership right?

(I'm assuming you meant that with a comma between "ownership" and "right". :wink: Because, predictably, no, there's no privilege in ownership rights.)

To be honest I'm not sure what you're referring to. If you mean the "Landless Workers Movement", then as far as I know it has nothing in particular to do with race. I don't think race has all that much to do with land ownership issues here. I think it's pretty much just that about half a dozen people own nearly all the farmland (and unproductive land for property speculation purposes) in the country. To be clear: that's hyperbole. But how much of a hyperbole it really is... I don't know. It might not be that far off. There are people/companies who own absolutely ridiculous amounts of land. They produce a lot of different things, like soy, soy, beef, soy, beef, soy, soy, beef, beef and even soy.

If you mean some other type of land ownership, then... I still don't really know what you could be referring to.


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23 Feb 2021, 1:19 am

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Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.

It's not a matter of buying into it. If people really use the word that way, then there's not much I can do about it.


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23 Feb 2021, 4:33 am

Pepe wrote:
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Pepe wrote:
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It looks like the term "white privilege" really is mainly used with that connotation of "white people are born evil" then?


Please don't buy into that nonsense perpetrated mostly by whining right wingers.


Please tone down your left-wing sanctimony. :mrgreen:


Well what left winger ever says white people are born evil?


Collective guilt unequivocally implies 'evil', I would have thought. 8)


Collective guilt is not the same as evil



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23 Feb 2021, 4:39 am

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If you mean some other type of land ownership, then... I still don't really know what you could be referring to.


Firstly, please excuse my tardy grammar and punctuation.

What I was referring to was government policy in Brasil, Chile and Argentina to remove black/indigenous people from their census and encourage migration from Europe to "civilise" their countries. For example German migrants in Brasil were given land free which had previously been appropriated from indigenous people. That's almost definitely white privilege in my books. Australia was occupied in the same way after indigenous people were wiped out.



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23 Feb 2021, 6:05 am

It’s well known that black folks have been discriminated against in housing for the vast majority of the existence of the United States.

Anyone with any common sense knows this.

When it came to voting, there was a literacy test in many areas of the South until 1965. All the white person had to do was know the President of the United States. The black person had to recite the Preamble of the Constitution from memory—or worse.



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23 Feb 2021, 7:43 am

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Collective guilt unequivocally implies 'evil', I would have thought. 8)
Nonsense.


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23 Feb 2021, 8:07 am

I don’t believe in the “collective guilt” of a race.

I believe in the “guilt” of individuals who actively oppress others.

Like slave traders, slaveowners, Klansmen, people who refuse to rent to “minorities,” etc.