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16 Oct 2021, 10:14 am

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There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.



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16 Oct 2021, 10:41 am

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The need for people to be trained in new technology has never been greater.
The need for qualified people to apply for training in new technology has never been greater.



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16 Oct 2021, 10:45 am

Consider that maybe this strike . may be the last time humanity has to attempt social economic change . The Ogliarchs that are running things will not tolerate such things in a modern age. And yes it will be often that humans are replaced with machines . aand the working class will have zero power to negotiate . Strike busting has been as much of history as Strikes have been . But as time passes and automation takes over . The ability to strike will be diminished. the heads of these snakes need to be pruned off , in favour of a better living wage. And the burden of taxes , Need to be put on the Ogliarchs of this country. With no recourse for them but to pay.. And not hide profits .
Merely as consequence of doing business in one of the wealthier Countries of this world.
These phoney bolognies that are feeding their own private/ favourite charities . Would better serve
their employees if these funds were used to alleviate the tax burdens on the average worker .
We have a enormous military budget support by the lobbyists in Congress . Obviously if we are fighting a smarter more technically superior War. Then the costs should be cut to the military industrial Corporate. Just as a business that replaced their workers with machines can cut costs.
These trillion dollar budgets should not be placed on the backs of the working poor.
The business corporate is smiling and smiling at the money they will make at the cost of the taxpayers. i have seen this in my own city .. Just cause the city government is expecting all these extra funds from Bidens work . And has created huge Pork barrel projects . Serving only the wealthiest few . And perhaps creating a few selective jobs,over the.long term . That will be in existence to serve only the wealthier people here. They have robbed educational infrastructure , set to be paid for by corporate taxes , instead moving it to their own slush funds that support , Their friends projects that serve no one but the corporate good. Also the degree of control offered by a corporate suveillence State that sells info to the highest bidder . ( Infomatics) Facebook , google analytics, and all social media . services can be put to use for and implemented as corporate strike busting campaigns . :skull:


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16 Oct 2021, 11:00 am

Well maybe October 15, 2022(sarcasm)


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16 Oct 2021, 11:05 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
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There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.


The robots would have lots of moving parts and that's a recipe for frequent breakdowns.



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16 Oct 2021, 11:33 am

Axeman wrote:
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There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.


The robots would have lots of moving parts and that's a recipe for frequent breakdowns.


In the future we'll be gaslit into believing McRobot repair people aren't skilled either. 8)


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16 Oct 2021, 11:35 am

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If there were no unions, 19th century Industrial Revolution conditions would still exist. There would still be 6-year-old children working in the coal mines.

Unions provide the potential for equity and freedom from exploitation.

The right to collective bargaining is a precious right. Having scabs blow the whole thing for the workers.


Unfortunately there's still people out there who seem view that era as the ideal for labour relations, instead of a dystopian nightmare.


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16 Oct 2021, 11:38 am

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Scabs suck.


If you don't go to work you get fired plain and simple. It's not slavery.

Why do people who are willing to work suck?

Because they are stealing another person’s job when they cross a picket line.
Ever read The Jungle?


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16 Oct 2021, 11:42 am

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Well maybe October 15, 2022(sarcasm)


There's multiple job actions ongoing as we speak. I'd say the fact that this one failed due to what are pretty obvious failures of organization in hindsight doesn't mean the pressures motivating people to start planning job actions have just evaporated.


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16 Oct 2021, 11:42 am

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Consider that maybe this strike . may be the last time humanity has to attempt social economic change . The Ogliarchs that are running things will not tolerate such things in a modern age. And yes it will be often that humans are replaced with machines . aand the working class will have zero power to negotiate . Strike busting has been as much of history as Strikes have been . But as time passes and automation takes over . The ability to strike will be diminished. the heads of these snakes need to be pruned off , in favour of a better living wage. And the burden of taxes , Need to be put on the Ogliarchs of this country. With no recourse for them but to pay.. And not hide profits .
Merely as consequence of doing business in one of the wealthier Countries of this world.
These phoney bolognies that are feeding their own private/ favourite charities . Would better serve
their employees if these funds were used to alleviate the tax burdens on the average worker .
We have a enormous military budget support by the lobbyists in Congress . Obviously if we are fighting a smarter more technically superior War. Then the costs should be cut to the military industrial Corporate. Just as a business that replaced their workers with machines can cut costs.
These trillion dollar budgets should not be placed on the backs of the working poor.
The business corporate is smiling and smiling at the money they will make at the cost of the taxpayers. i have seen this in my own city .. Just cause the city government is expecting all these extra funds from Bidens work . And has created huge Pork barrel projects . Serving only the wealthiest few . And perhaps creating a few selective jobs,over the.long term . That will be in existence to serve only the wealthier people here. They have robbed educational infrastructure , set to be paid for by corporate taxes , instead moving it to their own slush funds that support , Their friends projects that serve no one but the corporate good. Also the degree of control offered by a corporate suveillence State that sells info to the highest bidder . ( Infomatics) Facebook , google analytics, and all social media . services can be put to use for and implemented as corporate strike busting campaigns . :skull:

Trickle down seems unavoidable, unless *wealth* is redistributed.


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16 Oct 2021, 11:45 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Axeman wrote:
There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.


The robots would have lots of moving parts and that's a recipe for frequent breakdowns.


In the future we'll be gaslit into believing McRobot repair people aren't skilled either. 8)


Try again. The robots will likely reach a level to fix themselves.

https://www.unite.ai/robots-use-ai-to-f ... lf-repair/



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16 Oct 2021, 11:47 am

The local Harley Davidson plant closed a 3 years after it became amost totally automated .
Had even toured the plant . in the First year after automation. Am sure everyone thought the automatic parts of the production line was a sight to behold . Which was almost all of it.Sadly , i did not see it that way.
Many Bots and few people . Me and hubby snuck away with our tour ID badges ,for those were to become collectors items . It was easy to see the writing on the Wall , as the factory mechanization was taking hold.


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16 Oct 2021, 11:54 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Axeman wrote:
There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.


The robots would have lots of moving parts and that's a recipe for frequent breakdowns.


In the future we'll be gaslit into believing McRobot repair people aren't skilled either. 8)


Try again. The robots will likely reach a level to fix themselves.

https://www.unite.ai/robots-use-ai-to-f ... lf-repair/


Try not to seethe too much when UBI becomes the norm. 8)


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16 Oct 2021, 12:11 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
Axeman wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Axeman wrote:
There are plenty of people out there who will work. The strikers are entirely replaceable. If you don't show for your shift don't be surprised you were replaced. Probably by a Mexican migrant.

As you predicted ...

The Kellogg company has posted a job advert seeking temporary workers to replace those currently on strike at the company's cereal production plants across the country".
https://www.newsweek.com/kellogg-job-ad ... ne-1639247


They'll be getting a lot of bogus applications as well as people who plan on applying just to go through the training period and not reach production.


Good reason to start replacing those jobs with robots earlier than later.


How close are we to that realistically?


Closer than many realize. Some jobs will start being replaced within a few years. They use robots to move and sort orders at Amazon locations, so it can be done. Fast food is near the top of the list for replacement.


The robots would have lots of moving parts and that's a recipe for frequent breakdowns.


In the future we'll be gaslit into believing McRobot repair people aren't skilled either. 8)


Try again. The robots will likely reach a level to fix themselves.

https://www.unite.ai/robots-use-ai-to-f ... lf-repair/


Try not to seethe too much when UBI becomes the norm. 8)


At that point in time, it will not matter to me. I will likely be moving away to a much better place before that happens. :lol:



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