I think Aspergeans should NOT have children

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Ooohhh incindiary topic Mw99...I like your style! Personally, I made the chooice never to breed when I became sexually active. There are many things in my family on both sides that may have a more than incidental genetic basis and I wouldn't want to risk turning in the gene pool (e.g., alcohol dependence, incest, many varieties of mental illness etc. etc.). I strongly believe that humans generally should have to obtain a licence to breed...for the benefit of our ailing planet, the endangered life forms with whom we 'share' it, and the quality of life for any species of life in the future! I am not alone in holding this highly contentious belief. It has been raised far more eloquently elsewhere (e.g., see Garrett Hardin's article "The Tragedy of the Commons" available if you search that title. Sorry, I had included the web address but have not yet made enough posts to be allowed to include it )

However, I would not like to be on the board that decides the criteria for eligibility to breed. This is where we do run the risk of repeating Hitler's crazy notions. With an estimated 6.77 billion of us humans on this planet (wrong or otherwise!), we seriously need to be considering if any of us really needs to breed though!

I would like to add my two cents here, and some people might not like what I have to say. My opinion is that all children are a gift from God and that all babies should be brought into the world, whether they have a disability or not. I do not suffer from anything. The only thing that I suffer from, are the Nazi-like attitudes that people still have nowadays about people with disabilities. I'm a very happy individual, and I'm glad that my mum chose life. If I ever get pregnant, I will choose life for all of my children. A life with a disability is better than being aborted by one's mother, before the baby is due to be born.

I think that YOU shouldn't breed, instead.

And the OP should mind his own business. How long has this thread been alive?

labelling me as disfunctional or handicapped because I deal with ASD/ADHD is relative, relative to another persons objectivity of me being unacceptable to their standards...

You need to go back in time to ancient Greece and live with the Spartans... They would of threw you over the city walls as a baby and be done with you, or how about Nazi Germany? would you be considered a gypsy, jew or something else and be sent to a 'work camp' in Poland?

Adolf Hitler and his henchmen done the same thing, just as you are proposing… To have me re-educated into a Neurotypical and become as what is perceived as average and normal…. Yet being like a NT, all of the soap opera, drama and other sorts of things…. Such a shallow existenance compared to how I am currently, an Autistic who can fight back and will not take the label of a subhuman lying down… but will fight it tooth and nail…

I have a better quality of life with my eccentricities… the things I am interested in, much rather be interested in things that are worthwhile and meaningful even if others can not or will not take the effort to understand such as yourself, original poster… than interested in shallow, unimportant issues, and other things that sums up as being a sheeple, the ideal consumer and a fraud… I say a fraud because many people try to be what they are not… but too busy trying to be someone else…

I have fathered three children… Your type of reasoning and others like you would deny what God himself gave me, just because you deem I would have a better quality of life because it is what society has impressed upon you what is normal for the current times? This is absurd, you’re reasoning is based on flawed logic, can you not see that?

I say on average, you who are not willing to make an effort to understand us, and fill us up with experimental drugs or drugs to cover symptoms yet it does not always work out really believe we are a danger to society? When in fact it is such thinking as this which created the problem in the first place… hundred years ago, those like us wer elocked away in houses…. Many went crazy not because we were crazy to begin with but that being in an environment very hostile – totally opposite of nurturing type of environment… it does that to a human… Take someone who is a Neurotypical… not autistic… take them at the age of 5 or 6 because they do not exhibit autistic behaviors, and lock them up somewhere , they have minimal contact with people, they are treated as somewhere between a human and an animal (guinea pig maybe?) and they spend the rest of their lives in isolation… will they not be crazy and really messed up after a while?


I was a terror growing up, being Autistic and ADHD… I was hyper, short attention span along with some stemming and difficulty talking and communication issues and did not talk until I was 4 ½. Unless something was interesting or held my attention, I had much difficulty paying attention… I can go on and on… So according to your pro-Hitler eugenics thoughts, I should in no way be able to have children of my own blood because you deem me too abnormal. Yet if I would of not been treated like a number through the educational system that operates more like a factory than what it is thought of… treated more like a person with different abilities and difficulties instead of “dope him up because I am too lazy to deal with kids like that” mentality… It is people like you that should be locked up, spreading such hate and imposing your own brand of religion on others, when if it is in the name of science… similar delivery to some of these extremist, wither it be politics, science or religious to name a few… These types of thing has been discussed in different circles within the medical community for at least a hundred years….


I am an Autistic, a productive member of society… I have learned ON MY OWN how to adapt and live among a world of individuals, such as yourself, whom are hostile against people like me, wither it is forcing your so called superior eugenics ideas on me or people like yourself that take advantage of people like me for your own personal gain… know how we are and that many like me are not apt to play mental games, more honest and such and we are taken advantage of us… You can come out here spewing your garbage out here all you want in these forums but I will let you know what I think just as much as you let us know what you think as well… And yes, I have attended a university, over 6 years worth.

By the way, I fathered three biological children with an Aspie… Aspie + Autie = awesome children… house full of geniuses, yet it is undesirable?

If your an aspie and you don’t think aspies should reproduce, then don’t reproduce. Don’t expect every aspie to feel the same as you. And I don’t like the idea that aspies are somehow destroying the human race.

You're gonna have to rip out my uterus from my child-bearing hips in order to stop me from having kids.

[/quote]3. I don't think my AS is something that would prevent me from raising a child. My bigger issue, frankly, are the many emotional scars that may impede my being a loving parent or even worse, compel me to ruin my child's life in an effort to save them from all the mistakes and tragedies I suffered. I could not bear watching my child live through the same pains and mistakes that I made.[/quote]

That's the paragraph that captured my interest. Yes, I have AS and my daughter does, too, so I guess this thread applies to us. I am suffering a lot trying to help her avoid what hurt me. So much that I would not know where to start. But because I do have all my experience, I know that she will have a much better life than I did as a child and adult.

All this BS with the degeneration of the gene pool, if we continue to reproduce people with "diseases"...please...it nauseates me...

I think I shouldn't have children. That's for a variety of reasons, most of them less to do with AS and more to do with the other baggage in my life that I strongly suspect might make me a very bad parent, for all my good intentions.

(Genetics isn't, I think, a good enough reason either. Let's face it, you could abstain from having children to avoid bringing more AS kids into the world, only to find that your NT brother or sister has one. In my family, the only other Aspie is, I think, my maternal uncle. If genes are a factor, we shouldn't assume they're necessarily predictable.)

As far as other people go, it's their choice. I think it helps immensely if you have the financial wherewithal, if you're in a stable relationship, and if you're physically healthy. I don't doubt that it's possible to raise a child perfectly well if any of these factors are absent, but I bet it's difficult; I see relatives of mine raising babies and it looks like it takes more organizational clout than D-Day as it is. I'd like for people to think why they want a child and not (as all too often) see them as meal tickets, band-aid for a failing relationship, 'someone to love me', a status symbol, something cute to dress up or anything but a small human being with a personality and needs of its own. I'd also kind of like it if people bore in mind the limited carrying capacity of our planet, but let's face it, very few people in the West even think about that, and I'd be a hypocrite if I said that being 'green' was the reason I didn't reproduce, because it isn't.

If someone has any mental/developmental disorder, and they plan on having children at all, they owe it to themselves, the child and society in general to work out how they're going to deal with that so that it has minimal negative impact on the child's life and development. Some of the time, with AS as well as with some other disorders, a lot of the negative impact will be from the attitude of the rest of society. What matters above all is the welfare of the child. If there are coping strategies and you can use them and the kid is healthy and happy, I say, who's worried?

I'd like to see anyone who gets pregnant checked out not just physically, but psychologically, so they could be given help if needed. I'll also affirm that there are certain psychological disorders in which, IMHO, the help should consist of an order to have the child adopted at birth. (Look up 'narcissistic personality disorder' and tell me why any child should be obliged to grow up with that.) AS, however, is one of those instances where, with the right support where needed, someone should be perfectly capable of being a competent parent. (Maybe even better than some....as we were discussing on the 'empathy' thread, perhaps AS parents are more likely to try and work out how their kids are feeling and less likely to make assumptions.)

i think so, i totally agree, my dads an aspie with adhd,
and i am an aspie, so far ive avoided that thing ...
i dont think it would be fair for the kid / kids to have to
endure having the difficulty of understanding a parent/ parents
who could not give what they need as per society dictates...
its simply too complicated and difficult to fathom
so better not, if you have the heart