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QuantumCowboy
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19 Aug 2008, 10:59 pm
Kilroy wrote:
so by your logic 2 men or 2 women can't get married because its said its a man and woman
then change it, seriously
before the bigot christians came homosexuality was widly accepted
look at rome
perfect example, god its pointless arguing with bigots
then change it, seriously
before the bigot christians came homosexuality was widly accepted
look at rome
perfect example, god its pointless arguing with bigots
No, what I am saying is that the word "marriage" has religious connotations, and for the government to interfere and redefine it is intolerable. I did point out an alternative terminology that would be more palatable.
You are correct that many civilizations in the past have accepted homosexuality. However, that is hardly a compelling argument. Many civilizations in the past have also accepted cannibalism, torture, and many other despicable acts. I am not saying that homosexuality is in the same category as those two, I am merely attempting to point out that the fact that several civilizations have accepted or condone a practice does not make said practice a good one.
As for the bigotry claim, I am attempting to lay out my viewpoints in a clear and concise manner. I always attempt to listen to the arguments of others, and am well able to distinguish between the validity of their arguments, and my viewpoint of their position. There is always a small chance that I may convince you, or you may convince me. Regardless, a good discussion may be had.
19 Aug 2008, 11:02 pm
QuantumCowboy wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
so by your logic 2 men or 2 women can't get married because its said its a man and woman
then change it, seriously
before the bigot christians came homosexuality was widly accepted
look at rome
perfect example, god its pointless arguing with bigots
then change it, seriously
before the bigot christians came homosexuality was widly accepted
look at rome
perfect example, god its pointless arguing with bigots
No, what I am saying is that the word "marriage" has religious connotations, and for the government to interfere and redefine it is intolerable. I did point out an alternative terminology that would be more palatable.
You are correct that many civilizations in the past have accepted homosexuality. However, that is hardly a compelling argument. Many civilizations in the past have also accepted cannibalism, torture, and many other despicable acts. I am not saying that homosexuality is in the same category as those two, I am merely attempting to point out that the fact that several civilizations have accepted or condone a practice does not make said practice a good one.
As for the bigotry claim, I am attempting to lay out my viewpoints in a clear and concise manner. I always attempt to listen to the arguments of others, and am well able to distinguish between the validity of their arguments, and my viewpoint of their position. There is always a small chance that I may convince you, or you may convince me. Regardless, a good discussion may be had.
Why is homosexuality wrong? What harm does it do?
Please answer these questions, if you can.
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19 Aug 2008, 11:13 pm
Fidget wrote:
QuantumCowboy wrote:
same-sex relationships (which I do not think should happen, as there is no chance of reproduction)
So, what's your view on infertile women? Do they have the right to get married? Oh, I suppose that's not natural either, they're lying! Because God would never naturally make a creature not meant to reproduce right?
I don't consider your viewpoint "hate speech" as you say, but I do consider it intolerance.Why are you attempting to put words into my mouth? I never said that infertile woman should not be married. Of course God creates infertile women, and it is natural. To think anything else would be simply denying what is in front of one's eyes. For infertile women, there is always a chance of conception (I have seen it happen), there is also adoption. In addition, some married couples decide not to have children.
One must also remember, that these are my personal viewpoints rather than my opinion on what society should do. Even if I had total power to create and enforce laws, I would not do so for many of my viewpoints. Just as I do not take kindly to others commanding me in regards to my own life, I assume others are like minded. I can respect others for having a differing viewpoint.
19 Aug 2008, 11:30 pm
QuantumCowboy wrote:
Fidget wrote:
QuantumCowboy wrote:
same-sex relationships (which I do not think should happen, as there is no chance of reproduction)
So, what's your view on infertile women? Do they have the right to get married? Oh, I suppose that's not natural either, they're lying! Because God would never naturally make a creature not meant to reproduce right?
I don't consider your viewpoint "hate speech" as you say, but I do consider it intolerance.Why are you attempting to put words into my mouth? I never said that infertile woman should not be married. Of course God creates infertile women, and it is natural. To think anything else would be simply denying what is in front of one's eyes. For infertile women, there is always a chance of conception (I have seen it happen), there is also adoption. In addition, some married couples decide not to have children.
And homosexuals can't adopt? Your last sentence is just proving my point further which is you saying same sex relationships shouldn't happen because there is no chance of reproduction doesn't make any sense, as there are many couples who don't want to have a baby, and there are many infertile women as well as men. But, it is your view and as you said you're entitled to it, and you most likely are not going to change it.
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20 Aug 2008, 5:52 am
corroonb wrote:
How does God know if one truly repents? Can he read minds? Isn't making judgments on our behaviour a violation of our free will? Does god force people to go to Heaven or Hell? What if you want to cease to exist?
God knows. He knows when you've been bad or good, sleeping or awake. Since God is omnipotent, He can do a lot more than read minds.
Being judged by God is not a violation of our free will. It's an aftereffect of our free will.
God wants us all to go to Heaven, but if we turn away from Him, we fall short of the mark and choose Hell for ourselves. But we CAN be forgiven for our sins! Jesus died on the cross so that we could be forgiven our sins.
Since you exist now, will you not exist always in one form or another!
Think about it, friend.
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