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05 Jul 2012, 8:25 pm

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It's less expensive (in the short term) to have a social safety net that just pays people off, but doesn't provide any signifigant employment resources, treatment services, and so on. Since politicians campaign on slashing costs ....


It's cheaper, but I think it would be less popular. Where I live we have people who brag about being 3rd generation welfare recipients. You can buy smokes with welfare money.

Despite that, liberals raised my taxes this year. Liberals (working for the state) told my friend's sister "want more welfare, have a 2nd kid." No liberals are rushing to fix this.

Again I will say, I have NO issue with helping those who truly need help. I have HUGE issues with mooches and leaches.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:25 pm

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Neo-nazism isn't actually a problem here.


Not to a Breivik sympathizer, I suppose.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:28 pm

Before the financial crisis, you could work at my dad's work for 5 years and get free top of the line insurance for the rest of your life. Taxpayers have to pay for this. Liberals have no idea about responsibility. Now, it's 10 years.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:31 pm

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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:32 pm

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Not to a Breivik sympathizer, I suppose.


I love how you're - again - misrepresenting my point and personally insulting me. Not saying I support Breivik - just that I understand how he feels, because the situation he was offended by is several times worse here. And once again, you're completely ignoring every valid point I make. I'm glad, really, you've taken to comparing me to Hitler and dismissing my point of view based on your skewed perception of that point of view. It's very relevant to this thread, as it's the most liberal way of arguing in the world.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:34 pm

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edgewaters wrote:
Not to a Breivik sympathizer, I suppose.


I love how you're - again - misrepresenting my point and personally insulting me. Not saying I support Breivik - just that I understand how he feels


You do know the what the definition of "sympathy" is, right? Do you sympathize with Breivik, or not?



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05 Jul 2012, 8:34 pm

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Liberals tend to pass really stupid laws and. They want the governemant to take care of them. Instead of being self-relaint and take care of themnselfs.


Hey, moron - liberal here. I work two jobs. My wife is also employed. We still don't make a living wage - we can't afford even cheap rent and utilities on top of groceries, maintenence, and Just Plain Living Life. Programs like food stamps and cash assistance help ensure that we don't have to choose between homelessness and starvation, which would be our choices if we were forced to be "self-reliant".

Why don't you do your research on what liberals actually want before you run off at the mouth like an idiot?


If you're working two jobs and your wife works and you can't afford rent and food you're doing it wrong.
Look at some of the numbers before you make statements like that. They're freely available; how about you mitigate your ignorance before jumping in again, eh?


Try to write something useful next time. Say he and his wife make $8.00 an hour. Then if they are working full-time, for simplicity we can say there is 16 hours a day worth of labor. That is $128 dollars a day. So take $128x 5 days a week = $640 a week. $640 times 4 weeks = $2560. Assuming $1000.00 rent, that's $1560 left over for food, clothing, entertainment, etc. $8.00 an hour is really low and you're not going to have a fun life living on it. Usually people who make minimum wage are low-skilled or young adults preparing to enter the work force. I think it's a fair assumption to assume full employment. If full employment is not the case, then there really isn't an argument here. You could leave your current job and work at a fast-food joint and be largely better off. See the things liberals tend to fail at is compromise. You're going to live frugally with this type of wage. You won't be able to eat out every day, shop at Urban Outfitters, drive a prius, etc. The goal would be to work hard and get a better job. Getting government benefits will make your standard of living even higher but as a result you'll likely be unmotivated to step up the ladder.


have you tried taking care of 3 kids continously?

if they work 16 hours a day, or even if only one does and the other maintins a full time job as well there would be a huge pressure on the one without 2 jobs when taking care of 3 kids.
then comes schooling costs in a nation where schooling almost appears to be a divisive device, due to said cost.

also situations change, sometimes by things outside your control, sometimes you have control over specifics while the surroundings are changing, sometimes not.

again you still havent done anything to actually argue for your position that welfare is universally bad or even expensive, in some countries they pay themselves by allowing a higher percentage of people to maintain productivity and above all personal happiness.
there is a huge potential in many people that go to waste if you do not provide equal oppertunity, something that cant happen if the economic status of your parents determine your prospects in life.


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05 Jul 2012, 8:35 pm

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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.
What would you have done if they said no?


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05 Jul 2012, 8:36 pm

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Before the financial crisis, you could work at my dad's work for 5 years and get free top of the line insurance for the rest of your life. Taxpayers have to pay for this. Liberals have no idea about responsibility. Now, it's 10 years.


QFT.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:36 pm

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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out.


Then you are not responsible for yourself, or anyone else. You're really not qualified to lecture anyone about responsibility, until you know what it is actually like to be responsible for yourself. Even then, you're still not qualified to lecture someone who is responsible for themselves plus others.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:37 pm

And just for the record, I think it's immoral to bring a child into this world if you live in poverty. I, personally, would never have a child if I struggled financially. Yet, people simply do not understand this concept. I know liberals do, that's why they are so adamant about abortion. It's all about population control for them and a reason to have government around because society is too f*****g stupid to take care of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if someday, in an advanced liberal society, they had forced abortions, and executed their young before a certain pre-determined age limit that fit into their twisted societal philosophy.



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05 Jul 2012, 8:37 pm

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edgewaters wrote:
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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.


so you effectively denied your parents the oppertunity not to pay your bills,
you might say they have a choice but do they know that, would you feel resentfull if they cut you off and kicked you out?
if so are you not essentially just emotionally blackmailing them, even if unknowningly or that is not the intention.

they might be well enough off to justify it i dont know, but not everyone is that lucky.


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05 Jul 2012, 8:39 pm

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edgewaters wrote:
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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.
Sounds like what your parents are doing for you.


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05 Jul 2012, 8:41 pm

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And just for the record, I think it's immoral to bring a child into this world if you live in poverty. I, personally, would never have a child if I struggled financially. Yet, people simply do not understand this concept. I know liberals do, that's why they are so adamant about abortion. It's all about population control for them and a reason to have government around because society is too f***ing stupid to take care of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if someday, in an advanced liberal society, they had forced abortions, and executed their young before a certain pre-determined age limit that fit into their twisted societal philosophy.


This is utterly insane. And how can you go on criticizing people for leeching when you refuse to get assistance thus forcing your parents to cover for you?


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05 Jul 2012, 8:43 pm

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And just for the record, I think it's immoral to bring a child into this world if you live in poverty. I, personally, would never have a child if I struggled financially. Yet, people simply do not understand this concept. I know liberals do, that's why they are so adamant about abortion. It's all about population control for them and a reason to have government around because society is too f***ing stupid to take care of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if someday, in an advanced liberal society, they had forced abortions, and executed their young before a certain pre-determined age limit that fit into their twisted societal philosophy.


quoted for the content within,

tells the whole story.


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Yet, if you took responsibility, you would be able to function without living off the government.


They have three jobs - and support dependants. As far as I can tell you have no dependants at all, and probably just one job. Perhaps your parents are even helping you out. Are you sure you understand what it is to be responsible?


I go to university but am staying at my mom's house because I got sick. I have no dependents (thank god) and my parent's do help me out. The difference is they choose freely whether to help me out of not. When the government helps someone out, it forces other people to help by taking their hard earned money. It's immoral. My parent's told me to apply for disability because of my condition but I told them no because I don't agree with it in principle unless it's absolutely necessary.
What would you have done if they said no?


I would have asked to live with another relative. If everyone declined (unlikely) I would have been forced to go back to school (which I would probably do) or get a job. Again, you guys are missing the point. The point is my relatives CHOOSE to help me. They are not forced to. There is no government mandate and they are definitely not bound in any legal way. My parent's have raised me with this notion of responsibility.