It's stupid when feminists say that porn is misogynistic

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Might have something to do with all the judgmental as*holes out there.

When a person complains to the moderators it tends to bring the discussion to a grinding halt

So talk amongst yourselves...

Go ahead, I didn't say anything about anyone, I merely insulted nameless judgmental as*holes.

Someone did about me though so it's hardly safe for me to continue the debate is it?

So much for freedom of speech - it's hardly a 'win' if you gag your opponent is it?

Going now, won't ever be debating this issue again!

Dox47 made no report and no-one is being gagged.
It has been explained to you several times now that your caustic, denigrating responses break the site rules and disrupt the discussion.
Please also remember the advice I gave in my PMs.

Lots of those JA's you speak of are just trying to deflect-suspicion from the fact that they regularly view-porn themselves, so they probably think the same thing you said.

That's kinda circular, since the only reason to hide a porn habit is worrying about what other people may think of you; take away the judgment, and you eliminate the reason to protest too much. I could care less personally, I'm just not going to go into detail about my personal tastes for reasons best described as TMI.

There was a guy I knew many years ago that even porn can be educational. Yes, I occasionally watch it, but most of the time it's disgusting. I only watch it because 1) I never had the conversation with my parents about the birds and the bees, 2) they were of the opinion, the less you know, the better, 3) sex is only good for procreation between a married man and woman, and 4) they never approved of any girl I was interested in, not that it mattered, since I decided long ago I wanted to be asexual.

I've seen you go back to this particular well a few times now, and I'm still not clear why you think people in porn need to love their jobs or else it's terrible and awful, when plenty of other fields are full of unhappy people who have to pretend to enjoy themselves. I mean the situation is not identical, but even assuming the absolute worst about the porn industry, the idea of a job that's unpleasant, humiliating and physically uncomfortable isn't exactly unique.

IMHO, the worst thing about porn work is that you're forever branded and can't really work in the "straight" world anymore, thanks to those judgmental as*holes I was speaking of earlier, it really is like carrying the mark of Cain or a scarlet A. The real villain there is the society that consumes the product of the adult industry but then shames and persecutes the performers, now that's exploitative.

This is to second your response to the person you quoted about the faces.

The thing about the looks on people's faces is that during sex, sometimes a person's "OMG this is great" face (or the face they are making that is supposed to look like that) can look like "This sucks!". And they probably aren't really enjoying it sexually the way you normally would if you were having sex for fun. While it might not be horrible and painful and humiliating or any of that, it could be that they are trying to remember to keep themselves turned a certain way for the camera, or to remember to make noise to sound like either its the best ever, or its too big and somewhat painful but still feels good or whatever the message is she's supposed to be trying to convey.

Know what I hear actually hurts a pretty good bit when you are doing it for a living? Ballet dancing. I hear that female ballet dancers are usually in pain when they dance because classical dance is unnatural and it hurts, but it's beautiful. I hear their toes bleed, even pro's toes bleed. I head that the smile on their face is not exactly real at the time because while they may enjoy the chance to perform and be onstage and to get paid, the actual dancing somewhat hurts. Would the person who made the quote not watch ballet cause of that? What about aerobics? Olympic sports don't usually feel too good either.

And a final point about the looks that they aren't having fun ; some sex is supposed to look/seem/be painful. Not painful enough to where you turn around and hit him and tell him if he ever touches you again you'll kill him, but painful enough to make you yell some. It can also feel good while it's hurting. Then again, some people actually like the pain. My best friend likes painful anal sex. Why, I do not know. I have talked about it with her and she just laughed at me and said that's just what she likes. I had no idea the extent of it for her until this ass she dated filmed them in a hotel and put the whole thing on the internet. I saw it and was shocked! I was furious at him for hurting her like that and she told me "No, it was actually pretty great! It did hurt at the time, bad too, but it was supposed to." And that's from a girl who won't let me braid her hair in little braids because she's afraid I'll pull it when I'm brushing it! I guess all her pain sensors are on that end of her body or something. So, it might be a movie about that kind of sex. There are plenty of other ones where they do look like they are enjoying themselves.

First, I did not mean to imply that the study's authors were the coiners of the 'damaged goods' phrase. Second, stating that women in sex work come from poverty and abusive backgrounds is a very far cry from calling them 'damaged goods.' The latter directly states that the women in question (and by implication, other women as well) are objects to be bought and sold.

Yeah, but in other jobs, you can't say your body was being used for the satisfaction of others without you enjoying it much.

There are other jobs that fit that description, although the person isn't having sex on the job. Plus, you are aware that usually a few times in somebodys life they have sex that isn't great. Sometimes it's just downright bad and unenjoyable. The actresses are getting paid for it in the movie, I've endured it a few times myself out of just being too polite to tell the guy to stop it, he sucks in the sack.

In pregnancy your body is used for the enjoyment (and life) of another and it's really not all that enjoyable for many women, however, like doing porn, it's a choice for most who endure it.

So, bad sex that makes you feel like you're not even fully human is part of being a woman. Might as well get paid for it, etc.

I HATE my chromosomes, sometimes. I realise men go through this, but less often.

That men go through having bad sex? I don't think guys can keep it up if it's all that bad though, so it's probably not as often that they would endure extremely crappy sex. After all, there is an old saying that says "The worst I ever had was still damn good!" and that's a guy saying.

I guess the worst candy you eat is still candy What exactly is so bad, without involving some kind of distinctly non-sexual malice? Being hugged tightly by a woman with her legs around your waist? Heh! You’d have to dislike her strongly, or have some sensory issues, in order to get no pleasure at all, even if your penis can’t respond. It won’t suffer, either, unlike a raped woman’s vagina.

Women can be mean if they want to, but there’s still a difference. The female body has been selected throughout the last millions of years to be very pleasant (and probably to be more capable of experiencing rich pleasures, too), and it shows.

Or they’ve had no sex at all, which I refuse to consider lucky, despite many things I’ve read and heard