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06 Apr 2014, 2:19 pm

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i think someone's just made a new account to troll people


Of course. Why people should bother you pointing out bold statements? Asking for numbers and serious and well documented statistics? Ah! How annoying!! ! That's trolling!! !


Sarcastically admitting to the thing someone suspects you of does not mean that person's suspicions are unfounded.


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06 Apr 2014, 2:37 pm

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or are offended that they cannot get laid and they feel entitled to


or women who feel entitled to a relationship,because their
so smart and beautiful.

double standard: a ''nice guy''complain he can't get a date,
because he's too nice=an entitled sexist jerk

a ''smart beautiful' woman complain she can't get
a committed relationship,because she too smart=
a Strong woman,(gets support from people)



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06 Apr 2014, 2:49 pm

billiscool wrote:
cannotthinkoff wrote:

or are offended that they cannot get laid and they feel entitled to


or women who feel entitled to a relationship,because their
so smart and beautiful.

double standard: a ''nice guy''complain he can't get a date,
because he's too nice=an entitled sexist jerk

a ''smart beautiful' woman complain she can't get
a committed relationship,because she too smart=
a Strong woman,(gets support from people)

Could you elaborate, please? I don't understand.



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06 Apr 2014, 3:05 pm

^ :lol:


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06 Apr 2014, 3:12 pm

sure,anytime a guy complain he can't get a gf,
because he's too nice,and women only ''like jerks''-
he gets chewed out

if a girl complain she can't get a bf,because
she's too smart,and guys only like ''dumb girls''-
she get support from people.

if a guy complain every girls he meets are b-tches-
he's gets chewed out

if a girl complain every guys she meet are a--holes-
she get support from people



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06 Apr 2014, 3:30 pm

billiscool wrote:

if a girl complain she can't get a bf,because
she's too smart,and guys only like ''dumb girls''-
she get support from people.

if a guy complain every girls he meets are b-tches-
he's gets chewed out


lmao



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06 Apr 2014, 3:53 pm

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and the most ridiculous thing is that sexism is not something to be proven, its a cold hard fact (and either way statistics are soaring). because if historical dragging. on the other hand there are two possibilities 1) its good that men nowadays dont see sexism so apparent and to large extent this is fortunately true (I mean only the most basic issues) 2) men really, as most people, firstly see their own problems and this blind resistance usually stems from their own, individual and more general male, issues


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06 Apr 2014, 4:29 pm

What do you mean by this, Kuku? I have trouble understanding sarcasm

Kuku, do you think that sexism ever existed?



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06 Apr 2014, 4:49 pm

cannotthinkoff wrote:
What do you mean by this, Kuku? I have trouble understanding sarcasm

Kuku, do you think that sexism ever existed?


Gee, it's almost like Kuku forgot where he was for a moment...

Kuku dismisses anything that isn't a 'fact' or 'number' as an assertion of faith, hence the references to 'religious people'. That he himself says things without any kind of back up, and has constantly evaded my own requests to describe what he would need to see before agreeing there is sexism, marks him out as insincere. I don't think there is a single thing that could convince him of the reality of sexism in, say, the UK or US or Europe.

From what he's said, Kuku seems to be of the opinion that sexism is real, but only in, say, Afghanistan. Not in any 'western' country. For him, there is no sexism, only individual 'as*holes'. His mind is quite made up on the matter, and anyone trying to convince him otherwise would do as well to bang their head against a brick wall. At least the brick wall wouldn't offer pissy, sarcastic retorts.


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06 Apr 2014, 5:31 pm

Nah, I truly believe he's just "having fun". Too bad I have nothing better to do

besides i suppose even given a fact, with that line of reasoning, he would either discredit the source or the fact itself based on his own fate. so, kuku, you are the one who is a religious nut!



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07 Apr 2014, 1:16 am

The idea that sexism doesn't exist is absolutely hilarious!


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07 Apr 2014, 2:01 am

Let me ask you something: do you mistreat or discriminate women?



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07 Apr 2014, 2:12 am

Nope I see them as people. They may be different but no need to consider them subhuman. There may be times I don't trust them and am afraid of them due to a very horrible past but I do not hate them. Some are kind and compassionate and some are not but they are human and have feelings and emotions like we do they tend to be far more emotional than we are of course they are of great complexities of many sorts but capable of love and compassion and understanding it just boils down to knowing which one is and which one isn't and is out for personal gains and is hateful to the core. It is easy but foolish to assume all are friendly and kind only to get one that's abusive, controlling, hateful, and manipulative but at the same time cruel and cold to assume all are abusive controlling hateful and manipulative. If one has not had bad experiences with abuse its really easy to trust people. Although I do not always trust them and im working on trusting and giving chances, however I do not hate them.


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07 Apr 2014, 3:47 am

Fine, I believe you don't discriminate. Who does, then? Little GrassHopper the white knight or CannonThinkAtAll? They're convinced feminists, so I suppose neither do they.

Me? I am the "machista" one, am I not?. I am the sexist one, isn't it? Though it seems difficult, since I have had some claims exactly for the opposite: for treating female friends as they were men (though other ones like it, anyway).

So, there's sexism but no sexists? Or, perhaps, they're sexists... some people, out there.... theeeeey....

You know what happens with the sexism issue? It follows a very common pattern: "society is that way, but it's them, not me" -> "society is bad, but I'm good" -> "people is bad, I'm better than most of them". The more you state than society is sexist, racist, or whatever, the more you shine in your shining armor.

Some people need to feel "special". And there's only two ways to do so: either you become better, either you convince yourself than the rest is worse.



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07 Apr 2014, 5:08 am

billiscool wrote:
sure,anytime a guy complain he can't get a gf,
because he's too nice,and women only ''like jerks''-
he gets chewed out

if a girl complain she can't get a bf,because
she's too smart,and guys only like ''dumb girls''-
she get support from people.

if a guy complain every girls he meets are b-tches-
he's gets chewed out

if a girl complain every guys she meet are a--holes-
she get support from people

This is a simplification.
It would be just as accurate as to paint the reverse picture.

In reality, people with all four possible views (men can/can't handle smart women, women can/can't handle nice guys) exist.

Anyone who complains that women only like jerks or are b*****s is not a nice guy. That is self evident.
Anyone who complains that men can't handle smart women is not that smart. That is also self evident, though probably not as much so.



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07 Apr 2014, 7:27 am

Kuku wrote:
So this is the number (what I asked) of as*holes in your social circles: Zero.

The number of as*holes in my social circles, to add a counterexample: Zero.

It seems like sexism is not a majoritary social behaviour.

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If you are looking for personal experience, I have plenty. I grew up in an area where women who worked were insulted and looked down upon. I have a father who refused to allow his wife to work. I have three sisters, all of whom ended up in abusive relationships. I live next door to a man who,likes to say that the only thing women are good for are sex and snacks. I have a wife who works construction, but when we moved she could not find work for years, despite the fact that there was plenty of hiring. She was actually told to her face more than once that construction is not women's work. I spent 6 years in the US Navy, and I can tell you that tghere are plenty of absolute d-bags when it comes to their attitudes toward what a woman is worth. That whole woman in every port thing is quite common.


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