Are libertarians our enemies?

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Yes and if all the roads where privately owned then there could be costs for using them it would just give large companies more power over peoples ability to travel...being public they have to be maintenance and are for the use of everyone seems much more effective.

The people who live outside of society does so risking being arrested and put in jail.

Asking people to hurt themselves instead of me is perfectly reasonable.

The economic change in India wasn't very slow after 1991. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... labels.PNG
That's not slow progress. Look up the "economic liberalization of India". The specific changes which occurred in 1991 was a decrease in taxes, deregulation of the market, and an increase in foreign investment.
That's only the market alone, however. Much of their government is corrupt.

Of course there would be costs for using roads! There are costs for using roads today too, we just call them "taxes". Here in Norway you have to pay out of your ass to drive a car.

Aren't you being a little dramatic....oh woe is me, having social responsibilities like having to pay taxes otherwise facing legal penalties is not the same as literally having a gun held to your head or do you get the death penalty for evading taxes where you live?

Sure Lutherans are cool guys but not all churches are Lutheran (also I find Lutheran exorcisms to be really creepy, I saw one, at least the child wasn't harmed though).

There have been gaudy churches like that built lately. Below is a picture of the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace in Yamoussoukro, Africa. It was built in the late 1980s (not by Lutherans). It's officially the largest church in the world and cost $300 million to build. Surely $300 million could have been put to better use in Africa.

And what about all the various people that work or contribute in various other ways that think having a social safety network is important? You just seem to like looking down your nose at people and finding whatever you can to justify that despicable behavior. Or do you have some proof that the majority of those who are the loudest about needing such things do not and have not ever contributed and have only ever benefitted from said programs?

Lutheran exorcisms? Are you certain you've got the right denomination? I ask, because I'm a Lutheran, and I have only heard of disbelief and ridicule expressed toward the topic of casting out the devil, and sundry evil spirits.

Alright that makes more sense...but yeah people who cheat to get welfare piss off the people who need it just as much as they'd piss of anyone else.

So you pay the mercenaries and they provide you with defense? How is that so different from you pay your taxes and the state provides you with defense? Mercenaries could jack up the price if they feel you're in a jam. We could privatize all defense, roads, hospitals, etc but would it be cheaper?

Pay what you want? If we privatized everything you could pay what you want? Sure, it's something like pay TV, if you feel the price is to high, no sale. But if it's something essential like healthcare or national defense there is no pay what you want because you have to buy it. If we privatize everything and then they jack up the price on something you absolutely need, it's no longer pay what you want, it's pay what they want.

The other problem with national defense through mercenaries is that in peace time they could set up a protection racket like the Mafia used to. The Mafia would sell shop owners protection from other gangs but really it was protection from their own gang. A fee paid to not attack them. There was also a "fire insurance" scheme. Which was actually a fee paid for them to not burn down your building.

If you pay mercenaries to protect you from your enemies during wartime, in peacetime you might be paying the same mercenaries to protect you from themselves. In other words you might be paying at the same rate, just for a promise they won't attack you.

And if your nation doesn't have a taxpayer funded military of it's own and relies entirely on this mercenary group for defense, there will be no one to oppose them if they decide to set up a protection racket.

You said before that the difference between buying something privately and getting a tax funded service from the state is that the state can put a gun to your head and force you to pay your taxes. Private companies can't do that? Wrong. If they are a company of mercenaries they can put a gun to your head and force you to pay. Even during peacetime.

And look where this representation lead you! It's sh*****g all over the constitution that you once waved so proudly. No thanks, I'd rather decide for myself what I do on my own land.

Furthermore, there *is* a gun to your head, literally and figuratively. If you try to defend yourself against the state coming to steal your things, you *will* be shot. Here's a fine example, Australians went full ret*d and decided to confiscate everyones guns because reasons, when the man who inspired Crocodile Dundee himself tried to defend himself and his property, he was murdered by the police.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... dundee.htm

"Oh woe is me, people won't give me the money they worked hard for, when I'm too lazy/stupid to work for myself!" <- this is pretty much how you sound like to me, sorry.

Yes, we could privatize roads-- if we wanted to cripple business. Every road would be a toll-road, imagine all the stopping and going to pay tolls, talk about inefficient. Furthermore, state, local, and federal departments of transportation are one of the few highly efficient government entities-- they can't construct on their own so they have to have bids to build projects, this forces construction companies to constantly lower costs of construction so as not to be underbid by a competitor. Granted, if privatized this efficient model would be adopted by said private road companies, but now they'd want their 10% cut on top of said cost.

Then add in that said companies would eventually consolidate (if not immediately) and use this new power to threaten other companies: Hey UPS, you wanna use our roads next year you're gonna have to pay an extra 100 million surcharge. Why? Because you have no choice, we own your roads and thus your business that's why. You think UPS is gonna eat the cost, hells no, that's getting dropped on the consumer as well.

Net result of privatizing roads: inefficient travel, consolidation of power among a few wealthy individuals, and more cost to the average citizen. Sign me up for that one and give me a Darwin award while you're at it.

Would stuff become cheaper? It would be run more efficiently, that's for sure.

I saw it. It was when my newborn cousin was being christened or "baptized" as they called it (baptism is a hot topic with my mother, who believes firmly that only an adult can give consent to baptism, which is why I was never baptized).

Now this christening started out as per normal, with the priest asking the infant if she accepted Christ as her savior and and if she would promise to reject the devil (to these questions, two parents and four godparents responded with "I do", the infant said nothing). But then the priest went into a spiel about the devil. He said to the infant "I cast the devil out of you. In the name of Jesus Christ be gone" or words to that effect (I can't remember precisely since it was last year).

Even my Christian mother found it ridiculous. We both agreed that not only are exorcisms unnecessary but that there was no reason at all to suspect this baby had been possessed by the devil. It seems like the priest just assumes Satanic possession by default. I think that was his standard speech.

Since privatization seems the hot topic here, listen to this story. In America, the so called land of the free, we have a lot of private prisons. When they are built, the government guarantees a minimum occupancy. Sounds good, doesn't it. Well, to continue, we've had documented cases of judges sending innocent people to prison to get a kickback. These same prisons are paid for the care of inmates with our tax money. Their profit comes out of our tax money. What do they do? They turn around and use that (our) money to lobby Congress and legislatures to create more laws to add to the prison population. There have been cases where private prisons 'forget' to release prisoners for as long as possible to get the per diem cost of housing the prisoner. They then can make sweetheart deals with businesses for dirt cheap labor, thus taking jobs away from those that need them. All this in a so called democracy. Imagine if it was all private for everything and everybody. We would have no controls without government...