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25 Jan 2017, 3:28 pm

I do not care what they sound like, what I care about actions. This election was a rebuke against the totalitarian language policing that has been forced upon us with 'political correctness.' If leftists had their way they would put me in prison for thought crimes, they cannot be trusted and they absolutely want to destroy our American culture and way of life. It's time to undo their gains and destroy the infrastructure they built to unentrench themselves and their power structures. Elections have consequences, it is Trump's time to rule not Obama's any longer.



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25 Jan 2017, 3:32 pm

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I do not care what they sound like, what I care about actions. This election was a rebuke against the totalitarian language policing that has been forced upon us with 'political correctness.' If leftists had their way they would put me in prison for thought crimes, they cannot be trusted and they absolutely want to destroy our American culture and way of life. It's time to undo their gains and destroy the infrastructure they built to unentrench themselves and their power structures. Elections have consequences, it is Trump's time to rule not Obama's any longer.

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Okay, took me a minute to process that.
If someone tried to jail you for your thoughts, or even for making oil paintings of them, I would defend you.
Does the political party that has it as their platform have a website? The people whose platform I've mentioned have a vast network of websites called Stormfront. I can't think of anyone crazy enough to have what you allege as the leftist platform, but there are many who have all the hard nationalist policies with a scary cherry of racism on top.

Of course your side will undo our gains and destroy our power structures to some extent; that's American politics. Someone trying to rule, I see as trying to undo and destroy American politics.


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25 Jan 2017, 6:10 pm

I am angry against Trump, I do hate him; and I'm not sorry and I won't stop!! !
That man talk like a used car saleman in order to sell bull*** and wasn't so far show any sign of intelligence and think himself as a genius: If he's intelligent he hide it pretty well. He's disrespectful toward anything that is different from him, saying things that in any normal election would mean certain defeat, and somehow he get away with it. He go against many values I hold dear and push society against them.

He also scare me. He scare me because I'm not naive to the point of not seen, from his discourse and his acts, that he's potentially a dangerous fascist. The way he acted so far since his victory support that idea. When I or some other bring that up there is accusation of hysteria and paranoia, and sometime they push it further to say that now he won I should be ashamed of what I hold dear and that now he is the President and throwing some empty slogan like "He gonna make America great again" and that I somehow end up in support of him. There is accusation throw toward mainstream media of going against him each time they simply do things like reporting what he said; this is pushed further as extreme right media are then presented as " saying the true" even though they obviously biased and are lying in obvious propaganda push. They also say that those listening to mainstream media are "naives" to fell for they "tricks and propaganda" when they are the naives ones falling for propaganda. In true I didn't decided to be against Trump because some media like Radio-Canada told me to, I decided to be against him because I can think and that I know history. Trump is not a savior, he's the one that may destroy democracy, not only in US but everywhere.


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25 Jan 2017, 6:18 pm

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I do not care what they sound like, what I care about actions. This election was a rebuke against the totalitarian language policing that has been forced upon us with 'political correctness.' If leftists had their way they would put me in prison for thought crimes, they cannot be trusted and they absolutely want to destroy our American culture and way of life. It's time to undo their gains and destroy the infrastructure they built to unentrench themselves and their power structures. Elections have consequences, it is Trump's time to rule not Obama's any longer.

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Okay, took me a minute to process that.
If someone tried to jail you for your thoughts, or even for making oil paintings of them, I would defend you.
Does the political party that has it as their platform have a website? The people whose platform I've mentioned have a vast network of websites called Stormfront. I can't think of anyone crazy enough to have what you allege as the leftist platform, but there are many who have all the hard nationalist policies with a scary cherry of racism on top.

Of course your side will undo our gains and destroy our power structures to some extent; that's American politics. Someone trying to rule, I see as trying to undo and destroy American politics.


Try any left wing activist website, if you want real extremists I guess go look a RevLeft who are like Stalinists. This desire to silence is pervasive across the 'social justice' crowd, they do not believe 'live and let live' they believe only in total obedience to their dogma as the only path for else you be cast away into the darkness. Salon, Slate, Huffington Post, all those Gawker sites all think people they disagree with should be in camps.



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25 Jan 2017, 6:40 pm

RevLeft is a pretty big site. I still haven't found the part with the plan for death camps, but I'll keep looking. I'm learning a lot. Apparently, Trump is a reactionary socialist. He fits the description very accurately:

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The first category consists of adherents of a feudal and patriarchal society which has already been destroyed, and is still daily being destroyed, by big industry and world trade and their creation, bourgeois society. This category concludes, from the evils of existing society, that feudal and patriarchal society must be restored because it was free of such evils. In one way or another, all their proposals are directed to this end.

This category of reactionary socialists, for all their seeming partisanship and their scalding tears for the misery of the proletariat, is nevertheless energetically opposed by the communists for the following reasons:

(i) It strives for something which is entirely impossible.

(ii) It seeks to establish the rule of the aristocracy, the guildmasters, the small producers, and their retinue of absolute or feudal monarchs, officials, soldiers, and priests -- a society which was, to be sure, free of the evils of present-day society but which brought it at least as many evils without even offering to the oppressed workers the prospect of liberation through a communist revolution.

(iii) As soon as the proletariat becomes revolutionary and communist, these reactionary socialists show their true colors by immediately making common cause with the bourgeoisie against the proletarians.


I don't think (iii) will happen, but Trump would definitely not side with most of the people on the site, who I guess are the ones who will organize the proletariat.

This guy has a lot of cred, apparently. There were howls of protest at his plan for a general amnesty upon the successful conclusion of the revolution, though. Even commies dislike rapists. Afterward, they will keep the jails for a while until people realize they no longer need to commit crimes, but he intends to destroy the prisons immediately, saying: Prisons are pain factories -- their only purpose is to manufacture human suffering. We should not tolerate them in a post-capitalist society.

Incorrigibles will be exiled, or executed if unavoidable, it seems. The arguments against it seem to like the idea in principle, but have reasons they think it won't work. Personally, I like the plan a lot. Defense lawyers won't work for fees, so the best ones will choose the cases about which they are the most passionate. I wouldn't want to exile anyone. so I might try working as a defense paralegal. The other judicial reforms sound like an improvement.

Are you sure that the public part of the site has the real plans? Is there some other place I need to look?

I guess if you constantly have thoughts about oppressing the proletariat, and made a big deal about it, you could have problems under their system, but it doesn't seem like you would be such a burden on other countries that you couldn't be exiled if it came down to it. I think you're worrying too much.

This is surprising. White collar criminals will also receive the amnesty. Madoff gets a second chance. Wow, I expected full consensus for a summary execution of the worst exploiters of the capitalist system. I don't like their chances on the ground in the middle of a revolution, but it's nice that there is no official plan for massacres.


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25 Jan 2017, 7:02 pm

lol dude they worship Stalin and Kim Jong-Il on that site, this the issue with all communists is that they'll defend the system as just even tho it is genocidal. Mao didn't kill those 60 million people because he was despot, he killed 60 million of his own people because of Western imperialism! It would of totally worked otherwise!



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25 Jan 2017, 7:04 pm

So am I supposed to believe them or not. I asked for a place to find your version of the leftist platform laid out. Those guys are way more forgiving than you are, or at least that's what they say. Unfairness sounds like a pretty harsh accusation when they hurl it at each other. It's part of your guy's platform.

Your evidence was not a waste of my time, but it was not evidence.


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25 Jan 2017, 7:12 pm

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So am I supposed to believe them or not. I asked for a place to find your version of the leftist platform laid out. Those guys are way more forgiving than you are, or at least that's what they say. Unfairness sounds like a pretty harsh accusation when they hurl it at each other. It's part of your guy's platform.

Your evidence was not a waste of my time, but it was not evidence.


The evidence is every communist regime ever



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25 Jan 2017, 7:24 pm

Although I personally dislike what he stands for, I feel he was a marginal improvement over Hillary Clinton. I will always be a democrat and believe in what the democratic party stands for. I have nothing against wealth but how can someone honestly think that somebody who is a "reputed" billionaire is going to act in the best interest of the common man. With all the billionaires that he has put in his cabinet, I am afraid America is going to become a moneyocracy and not a democracy. The one positive attribute about Trump is that he is constantly showing that having money does not equate intelligence.



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26 Jan 2017, 4:04 am

I'll respond like a typical right-winger...

STOP TRYING TO SILENCE ME, TYRANT. HATING TRUMP IS FREE SPEECH!

It's you guys who whine about your "free speech" rights being violated anytime someone vigorously disagrees with you. Wake up. It's a free country. That means I'm free not to respect you or be civil with you. I can call you a bigot and you can suck it. I much prefer the US over a place like Turkey where people are not allowed to really speak their mind or be uncivil without risking arrest.



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26 Jan 2017, 5:10 am

Jacoby wrote:
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So am I supposed to believe them or not. I asked for a place to find your version of the leftist platform laid out. Those guys are way more forgiving than you are, or at least that's what they say. Unfairness sounds like a pretty harsh accusation when they hurl it at each other. It's part of your guy's platform.

Your evidence was not a waste of my time, but it was not evidence.


The evidence is every communist regime ever

You should not look to me for hope in human nature, but on the other hand I learn from history and assume that people with all different kinds of philosphies could look at the results so far and recalibrate. Maybe they realized that mass summary executions don't work so well. I didn't see anyone arguing for that policy, or even arguing for mass deportations.


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26 Jan 2017, 5:11 pm

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Trump put a gag order on EPA. National Parks can't tweet or anything, so there is now an official rogue Twitter account that is posting facts and information to inform people!


The National Parks Twitter was out of line with their anti-Trump posts, which is why there was a TEMPORARY ban on tweets. Not that people can't criticize Trump, but the Twitter account of an organization that has very little to do with politics is not a good platform for that stuff. The people who run the rogue accounts are being childish. This makes me not want to visit any National Parks and I'm sure I'm not the only one.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15906G

This goes beyond national parks, they are trying to cover up climate change facts and research. The more that is hidden- the easier it is for them to pollute more and do more to get money with oil! It's a good thing that people have moved stuff to Europe websites and archived stuff to their own computers. It's like Trump and his idiots refuse to understand anything that isn't their own view. SICKENING!

Did you hear about CDC cancelling climate change conference? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

When jerks in politics are trying to erase hard work and destroy things- people have EVERY right to bring it up. If people are just silent- what good does that do? Censorship isn't the way to go ever.


I guess the whole anti-PC attitude only applies to things trump and his administration want to hear, but science...no that is terribly offensive and must be censored! hypocrites.


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26 Jan 2017, 5:15 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I do not care what they sound like, what I care about actions. This election was a rebuke against the totalitarian language policing that has been forced upon us with 'political correctness.' If leftists had their way they would put me in prison for thought crimes, they cannot be trusted and they absolutely want to destroy our American culture and way of life. It's time to undo their gains and destroy the infrastructure they built to unentrench themselves and their power structures. Elections have consequences, it is Trump's time to rule not Obama's any longer.

qfp

Okay, took me a minute to process that.
If someone tried to jail you for your thoughts, or even for making oil paintings of them, I would defend you.
Does the political party that has it as their platform have a website? The people whose platform I've mentioned have a vast network of websites called Stormfront. I can't think of anyone crazy enough to have what you allege as the leftist platform, but there are many who have all the hard nationalist policies with a scary cherry of racism on top.

Of course your side will undo our gains and destroy our power structures to some extent; that's American politics. Someone trying to rule, I see as trying to undo and destroy American politics.


It sounds to me like it's trump and his administration who are trying to actively censor free speech in this case. Not sure where Jacoby gets the idea that all us leftists are essentially an internal enemy in this country constantly out to get him and anyone on the right. I get there are some extremists on the left and that the democratic party is corrupt...but he like some others forget left wingers are citizens to...


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26 Jan 2017, 5:30 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15906G

In the article it says "My guess is that the web pages will be taken down, but the links and information will be available".

I see nothing wrong with this because we now have a President in the White House who does not believe in climate change. Since he doesn't believe in climate change, of course, he is going to take that page down from the EPA. The information can be put back up when there is a President who believes in climate change again.


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26 Jan 2017, 6:01 pm

nurseangela wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-climatechange-idUSKBN15906G

In the article it says "My guess is that the web pages will be taken down, but the links and information will be available".

I see nothing wrong with this because we now have a President in the White House who does not believe in climate change. Since he doesn't believe in climate change, of course, he is going to take that page down from the EPA. The information can be put back up when there is a President who believes in climate change again.


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26 Jan 2017, 6:02 pm

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I guess the whole anti-PC attitude only applies to things trump and his administration want to hear, but science...no that is terribly offensive and must be censored! hypocrites.


Awww. That is so sweet! Trump has made the Federal government a safe space for anthropogenic climate change deniers. That's so caring and nurturing of him!

He probably has intersectionality top of mind and will be creating safe spaces for young earth creationists and evolution deniers and other marginalized communities.

The science community needs to check their privilege!

For too long they have assaulted the fragile people in our many marginalized faith communities with aggressive strategies like presenting "facts" and using data gathering and analysis to create a hostile environment that makes many of our people feel very unsafe. That violence stops now!

How great is this?


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