Preparing for election, post election riots
Fnord wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Funny how China is not only no longer to blame, but is now actually the victim.
The PRC is still to blame for unleashing the virus; but Mr. Trump is to blame for exercising wilful inaction against it. How much sooner would there be a vaccine if Mr. Trump had not withheld what he knew and denied the very existence of the coronavirus?And why is the coronavirus still around -- and even becoming a bigger threat -- when Mr. Trump swore it would magically "Go Away" or "Disappear", not just once, but at least 40 times?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/po ... video.html
Yeah. Trump stuffed up, with covid.
But, then too, so did many others.
Remember the Progressive's call to "Hug a China*s*?
Remember when Trump & Morrison were called xenophobic, by the progressives, because they closed the borders?
I am surprised you are so partisan, my Fnordy.
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But I will forgive you, always.
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Fnord wrote:
cberg wrote:
... that's what we get for letting him de-fund pandemic task forces in other countries, starting with China.
He can try to pass the blame to anyone else all he wants; but when you get right down to the core of the matter, Mr. Trump is responsible for withholding any effective action that could have, would have, and should have been taken in this country against the coronavirus.
That's another reason why I voted against him.
What, you are talking about the W.H.O?
News to me.
Unless you are talking about something/k else.
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Clashes Between Protest Groups Break Out After Thousands Rally for Trump in DC
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upporters of President Donald Trump and counter-protesters are getting into fights and clashes in the streets of downtown Washington, D.C., Saturday night after thousands of the president's supporters rallied earlier in the day to protest election results they say are fraudulent.
One person was stabbed when a fight broke out between two large groups at 10th Street and New York Avenue NW about 8:30 p.m., a spokesperson for D.C. Fire and EMS said. Medics took the person with critical injuries to a trauma center, the spokesperson said.
The march was largely peaceful during the day before turning tense at night, with multiple confrontations as small groups of Trump supporters attempted to enter the area around Black Lives Matter Plaza, about a block from the White House, where several hundred anti-Trump demonstrators had gathered.
In a pattern that kept repeating itself, those Trump supporters who approached the area were harassed, doused with water and saw their MAGA hats and pro-Trump flags snatched and burned, amid cheers. As night fell, multiple police lines kept the two sides apart.
hree Trump supporters were at a restaurant at 16th and K streets NW when someone set off fireworks in their direction, News4's Shomari Stone reports.
Ten people have been arrested during the protests, D.C. police said Saturday afternoon.
Officers arrested four people for firearms violations, two for simple assault, one person for assaulting a police officer, one person for "no permit" and two people for acting disorderly, the Metropolitan Police Department said.
One person was stabbed when a fight broke out between two large groups at 10th Street and New York Avenue NW about 8:30 p.m., a spokesperson for D.C. Fire and EMS said. Medics took the person with critical injuries to a trauma center, the spokesperson said.
The march was largely peaceful during the day before turning tense at night, with multiple confrontations as small groups of Trump supporters attempted to enter the area around Black Lives Matter Plaza, about a block from the White House, where several hundred anti-Trump demonstrators had gathered.
In a pattern that kept repeating itself, those Trump supporters who approached the area were harassed, doused with water and saw their MAGA hats and pro-Trump flags snatched and burned, amid cheers. As night fell, multiple police lines kept the two sides apart.
hree Trump supporters were at a restaurant at 16th and K streets NW when someone set off fireworks in their direction, News4's Shomari Stone reports.
Ten people have been arrested during the protests, D.C. police said Saturday afternoon.
Officers arrested four people for firearms violations, two for simple assault, one person for assaulting a police officer, one person for "no permit" and two people for acting disorderly, the Metropolitan Police Department said.
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Fnord wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Funny how China is not only no longer to blame, but is now actually the victim.
The PRC is still to blame for unleashing the virus; but Mr. Trump is to blame for exercising wilful inaction against it. How much sooner would there be a vaccine if Mr. Trump had not withheld what he knew and denied the very existence of the coronavirus?And why is the coronavirus still around -- and even becoming a bigger threat -- when Mr. Trump swore it would magically "Go Away" or "Disappear", not just once, but at least 40 times?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/po ... video.html
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
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One Person Stabbed Amid Violent Clashes In Downtown D.C. After Pro-Trump Rally
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A man was stabbed Saturday night during a series of violent clashes downtown between demonstrators in support of President Donald Trump and counterprotesters.
The man is in critical condition, according to a spokesperson for D.C. Fire and EMS. The stabbing occurred near 11th Street and New York Avenue NW around 8:30 p.m.
Several newsoutlets have reported that the figure has jumped to 20 arrests and two MPD officers have been injured, citing D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser’s office.
Throughout the evening, a number of sites downtown—including Black Lives Matter Plaza, the area outside the Capital Hilton, and K Street—saw repeated confrontations between pro-Trump factions and counterdemonstrators. In some cases, they turned into full street brawls.
At one point, the extremist far-right group and other pro-Trump supporters gathered around Washington Monument. Reporters captured members of the crowd making white nationalist hand gestures and chants of “break out Kyle,” referring to the Illinois teenager who is accused of killing two people and wounding a third at a protest over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.
The man is in critical condition, according to a spokesperson for D.C. Fire and EMS. The stabbing occurred near 11th Street and New York Avenue NW around 8:30 p.m.
Several newsoutlets have reported that the figure has jumped to 20 arrests and two MPD officers have been injured, citing D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser’s office.
Throughout the evening, a number of sites downtown—including Black Lives Matter Plaza, the area outside the Capital Hilton, and K Street—saw repeated confrontations between pro-Trump factions and counterdemonstrators. In some cases, they turned into full street brawls.
At one point, the extremist far-right group and other pro-Trump supporters gathered around Washington Monument. Reporters captured members of the crowd making white nationalist hand gestures and chants of “break out Kyle,” referring to the Illinois teenager who is accused of killing two people and wounding a third at a protest over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.
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Tempus Fugit wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Funny how China is not only no longer to blame, but is now actually the victim.
The PRC is still to blame for unleashing the virus; but Mr. Trump is to blame for exercising wilful inaction against it. How much sooner would there be a vaccine if Mr. Trump had not withheld what he knew and denied the very existence of the coronavirus?And why is the coronavirus still around -- and even becoming a bigger threat -- when Mr. Trump swore it would magically "Go Away" or "Disappear", not just once, but at least 40 times?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/po ... video.html
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Fnord is a smart Kookie.
I'd be surprised if he let his emotionalism get the better of him.
I'm waiting for him to explain where he is coming from.
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Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
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Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
I can only ask questions myself about that.
Was the rest of the world unable cover WHO funding?
Did Pfizer rely upon WHO funding to develop its vaccine?
Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
The W.H.O. who kowtowed to the China*s* to give them time to steal millions of PPE items, from around the world?
The W.H.O. who told us that covid wasn't transmittable to humans?
The W.H.O. who refused to take important information from Taiwan, because it would insult China*?
Pfft.
One could argue, that the more than a million dead, are on The W.H.O.'s shoulders.
BTW, what involvement does the W.H.O. have in the development of vaccines we have to date?
And consider, the development of vaccines have come to us via "Warp Speed".
Are you saying The W.H.O. has a super duper Warp Speed Engine?
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FTL speed?!
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Tempus Fugit wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
I can only ask questions myself about that.
Was the rest of the world unable cover WHO funding?
Did Pfizer rely upon WHO funding to develop its vaccine?
Not to my knowledge.
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Pepe wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
I can only ask questions myself about that.
Was the rest of the world unable cover WHO funding?
Did Pfizer rely upon WHO funding to develop its vaccine?
Not to my knowledge.
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On one hand I'm hearing about a delay in vaccine development...
And on the other hand I'm hearing about how Pfizer developed a 90% effective vaccine much sooner than one was expected.
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
I can only ask questions myself about that.
Was the rest of the world unable cover WHO funding?
A substantial chunk of WHO's funding came from the U.S. government -- apparently at least 20%, if I correctly understand the sources I was able to find. Other countries (and various private entities, most notably the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) do contribute money too, but still, obviously, a sudden loss of 20% of an organization's budget is inevitably going to slow things down.
The details of how WHO gets funded are rather byzantine, and I don't have time to dig into the details, but here is the relevant section of the WHO website. Just now I also looked at the following blog posts, which contain links to more info:
- AC/VC: The shock of WHO funding (originally published 2012; reposed 2018
- Who’s funding WHO? (June 2018)
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Did Pfizer rely upon WHO funding to develop its vaccine?
Probably not. Usually, research grants are given to scientists in academia, not to corporations. In order for the CoViD crisis to be dealt with as quickly as possible, both academic and industrial research are needed. Academic scientific research is basic research that doesn't directly lead to a product to sell, but lays groundwork for the development of more effective products.
EDIT: Although research grants are, in general, more commonly given to academia than to corporations, it looks like Pfizer got a direct grant from the U.S. government via Operation Warp Speed:
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July 22: HHS announced up to $1.95 billion in funds to Pfizer for the large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution of 100 million doses of their vaccine candidate. The federal government will own the 100 million doses of vaccine initially produced as a result of this agreement, and Pfizer will deliver the doses in the United States if the product successfully receives FDA EUA or licensure, as outlined in FDA guidance, after completing demonstration of safety and efficacy in a large Phase 3 clinical trial, which began July 27th.
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Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
How did that delay scientists from around the world in achieving a vaccine?
Probably because of diminished research funding? If I recall correctly, didn't Trump stop, or at least drastically cut, the U.S. contribution to the WHO?
I can only ask questions myself about that.
Was the rest of the world unable cover WHO funding?
A substantial chunk of WHO's funding came from the U.S. government -- apparently at least 20%, if I correctly understand the sources I was able to find. Other countries (and various private entities, most notably the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) do contribute money too, but still, obviously, a sudden loss of 20% of an organization's budget is inevitably going to slow things down.
The details of how WHO gets funded are rather byzantine, and I don't have time to dig into the details, but here is the relevant section of the WHO website. Just now I also looked at the following blog posts, which contain links to more info:
- AC/VC: The shock of WHO funding (originally published 2012; reposed 2018
- Who’s funding WHO? (June 2018)
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Did Pfizer rely upon WHO funding to develop its vaccine?
Probably not. Usually, research grants are given to scientists in academia, not to corporations. In order for the CoViD crisis to be dealt with as quickly as possible, both academic and industrial research are needed. Academic scientific research is basic research that doesn't directly lead to a product to sell, but lays groundwork for the development of more effective products.
EDIT: Although research grants are, in general, more commonly given to academia than to corporations, it looks like Pfizer got a direct grant from the U.S. government via Operation Warp Speed:
Quote:
July 22: HHS announced up to $1.95 billion in funds to Pfizer for the large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution of 100 million doses of their vaccine candidate. The federal government will own the 100 million doses of vaccine initially produced as a result of this agreement, and Pfizer will deliver the doses in the United States if the product successfully receives FDA EUA or licensure, as outlined in FDA guidance, after completing demonstration of safety and efficacy in a large Phase 3 clinical trial, which began July 27th.
Bottom line is that The W.H.O. was complicit in allowing the wuhan flue to migrate from China* to the rest of the world.
*THAT* is why Trump stopped supporting the China*s* WHO puppet.
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