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18 Nov 2020, 10:24 pm

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I hope the election was rigged. I hope americans didn’t vote for Joe over Trump.
There is no evidence that the election was rigged; so yes, Americans did vote for Joseph Biden as President.


Well, based on news reports, there were dead people voting, and I mean *really* dead people who didn't postal vote and then die. But the thing is, something like that wouldn't have changed the election results.



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18 Nov 2020, 10:25 pm

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Interesting Affadavit from an active case in Georgia:
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2.1 am a Florida Bar licensed paralegal.

3.1 am a registered Democrat.


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6. It was of particular interest to me that hundreds of these ballots seemed impeccable, with no folds or creases. The bubble selections were perfectly made (all within the circle), only observed selections in black ink, and all happened to be selections for Biden.

7. It was also of particular interest to me to see that signatures were not being verified and there were no corresponding envelopes seen in site.


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9. Based on my observations, I believe there was fraud was committed in the presidential election and question the validity of the Georgia recount process.

Source: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18632787/6/6/wood-v-raffensperger/


A signed and notarized claim is still just a claim. An officially recorded claim is still just a claim.


You may have noticed that I didn't comment on the accuracy of the details...

The interesting part was that it came from a Democrat instead of the Republicans, indicating questions about the election (and possible fraud) are not as partisan as they are commonly portayed.



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18 Nov 2020, 10:27 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
The voting is over with. It's pretty pointless to keep up a campaign against the probable loser. But I suppose it's cathartic.


Yes, an emotional release, is usually healthy.



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18 Nov 2020, 10:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
The voting is over with. It's pretty pointless to keep up a campaign against the probable loser. But I suppose it's cathartic.


And yet the loser/s still won't stop
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 9c1990bc5a

Trump and his republican cronies think they are going to resurrect victory from defeat...so he's still fair game


Call me cynical, but I think the error in not including the votes in favour of Trump was *probably* deliberate.
I don't know. It is just a guess. 8)



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18 Nov 2020, 10:34 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
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The voting is over with. It's pretty pointless to keep up a campaign against the probable loser. But I suppose it's cathartic.


What about the actual loser? Trump lost. He played his "voter fraud" card, and it failed. We would probably drop the subject, if HE PERSONALLY, and his horde of political kobolds, didn't keep bringing it back up over and over. If anything, people are merely responding to his "campaign" of lies and bullsnot.


As I said before, Hillary advised Joe to stall, also, if Joe was in the same position.
It is called playing politics and it happens on *both* sides. 8)
Call me rational. I'm a big boy. I can cope with that. :mrgreen:



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18 Nov 2020, 10:37 pm

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Also, we can safely ignore any so-called "evidence" presented by people from other countries, since they seem to have even less understanding of the American electoral system than the average American voter.


Are you saying overseas people shouldn't be allowed to voice there opinion?



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18 Nov 2020, 10:40 pm

^No, we are saying your opinions are moot here.

You're not rationally playing politics like a big boy when you're ignoring millions of people in the majority.

Whining about voter fraud in no way makes it a significant enough problem for said whining to be meaningful. Of course Trump votes were thrown out, so were Biden votes, did you count four million yet?


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18 Nov 2020, 10:43 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:
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I hope the election was rigged. I hope americans didn’t vote for Joe over Trump.

So, you'd rather have a failed businessman, arrogant bully, divisive motormouth, old school elitist, and narcissistic orange buffoon over someone who actually might do something good for ordinary people?

Well good luck with that, then.


The problem with Joe is his mental faculties are failing.
Does anyone disagree with that?

And because of that, his minders, including a (I believe. Please correct me if I am wrong) Marxist leaning vice president, will have greater influence in the politics of the Democratic policies.



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18 Nov 2020, 10:52 pm

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^No, we are saying your opinions are moot here.

You're not rationally playing politics like a big boy when you're ignoring millions of people in the majority.

Whining about voter fraud in no way makes it a significant enough problem for said whining to be meaningful. Of course Trump votes were thrown out, so were Biden votes, did you count four million yet?


Firstly, who is 'whining'?
It can't be me, since I don/t whine.
That is your projection onto me. ;)

I don't understand why you have to be so emotional with your posts.
I prefer a rational debate. 8)

Secondly, understanding and discussing what is happening in the American election is my right, as a member of the Wrong Planet community.
Ask any mod.

Or did the OP specifically say that only American citizens can contribute to this thread?

I think it odd that both you and Fnord have a problem with us contributing.



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18 Nov 2020, 10:54 pm

Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:


Also, we can safely ignore any so-called "evidence" presented by people from other countries, since they seem to have even less understanding of the American electoral system than the average American voter.


Are you saying overseas people shouldn't be allowed to voice there opinion?


Given the "average American voter" appear to believe that the media has the responsibility to declare a winner, rather than it being decided after results are certified and challenges have been dismissed or acted on, it would be interesting to see with specificity what these people from other countries have misunderstood...

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Steps in the electoral system in the U.S.A.:

1. election is held

2. citizen votes are counted

3. participants may contest procedures
<---YOU ARE HERE

4. results are certified

5. elector votes are cast

6. elector votes are counted

7. winner is declared
<---SOME THINK YOU ARE HERE



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18 Nov 2020, 11:47 pm

 ! Feyokien wrote:
Attention ALL of you


Targeting each others nationalities ends (direct and indirect). So does the snark, personal attacks/accusations of partisanship/agendas against others, tooting your own affiliation or lack of to show 'superiority', picking at people for posting their thoughts about their politicians, and arguments for the sake of arguing. If you really don't like someone or think they are your ideological enemy, then don't talk to them. It's that simple. WP is not the battleground of some great ideological war. Discussions that occur here have no affect on neurotypical society and their political structures so please stop acting like there is a moral imperative to defeat/humiliate your enemies here. You guys are killing this corner of the website with this behavior.

I'm about to lock this thread (which I don't think Mikah would enjoy) and the election results thread (which I would not enjoy).



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19 Nov 2020, 3:12 am

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


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19 Nov 2020, 3:15 am

Pepe wrote:
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^No, we are saying your opinions are moot here.

You're not rationally playing politics like a big boy when you're ignoring millions of people in the majority.

Whining about voter fraud in no way makes it a significant enough problem for said whining to be meaningful. Of course Trump votes were thrown out, so were Biden votes, did you count four million yet?


Firstly, who is 'whining'?
It can't be me, since I don/t whine.
That is your projection onto me. ;)

I don't understand why you have to be so emotional with your posts.
I prefer a rational debate. 8)

Secondly, understanding and discussing what is happening in the American election is my right, as a member of the Wrong Planet community.
Ask any mod.

Or did the OP specifically say that only American citizens can contribute to this thread?

I think it odd that both you and Fnord have a problem with us contributing.


I think it odd that you have a problem with respecting national sovereignty as relates to speaking & writing the king's.


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19 Nov 2020, 3:16 am

Spell my kountry's name with a c or you'll be forcing me to spell Austrialia with three Ks.

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19 Nov 2020, 3:53 am

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:


Also, we can safely ignore any so-called "evidence" presented by people from other countries, since they seem to have even less understanding of the American electoral system than the average American voter.

Given the "average American voter" appear to believe that the media has the responsibility to declare a winner, rather than it being decided after results are certified and challenges have been dismissed or acted on, it would be interesting to see with specificity what these people from other countries have misunderstood...]]


That includes Ivanka apparently
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 21440.html



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19 Nov 2020, 4:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:


Also, we can safely ignore any so-called "evidence" presented by people from other countries, since they seem to have even less understanding of the American electoral system than the average American voter.

Given the "average American voter" appear to believe that the media has the responsibility to declare a winner, rather than it being decided after results are certified and challenges have been dismissed or acted on, it would be interesting to see with specificity what these people from other countries have misunderstood...]]


That includes Ivanka apparently
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 21440.html


Moit, you stuffed up the quotes.
I didn't say that. Brictoria did. :mrgreen: