AnonymousAnonymous
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17 Aug 2021, 9:44 pm
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan,
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys"
Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.
Like many, I wonder how different this would be had Trump got re-elected.
17 Aug 2021, 10:25 pm
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan,
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys"
Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.
Like many, I wonder how different this would be had Trump got re-elected.
End result the same - Taliban likely to take control.
As I understand it, however, he had scheduled the exit for the time of year when the Taliban did not engage in military actions, or were just starting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_fighting_season) rather than in the middle/towards the end of the time of year when combat was mainly occurring there, which would have meant they were less organised\not in positions to attack as rapidly. This would also have allowed the departure of civilians in a more orderly manner (as opposed to the chaotic events taking place now). He would also likely have ensured the civilians were out prior to withdrawing the military, as well, and possibly not have abandoned a much better (or, in fact second) airfeld (Bagram) as happened here.
But, the planning and implementation were Mr Biden's (and Ms Harris's) responsibility once they threw out Mr Trump's plans and created their own, so we'll never know for sure what could have happened had Mr Trump's plans been carried out.
18 Aug 2021, 1:31 am
18 Aug 2021, 2:57 am
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan,
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys"
Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.
Like many, I wonder how different this would be had Trump got re-elected.
He didn't like them, but he tended to listen to his Generals, so I have heard.
18 Aug 2021, 3:04 am
Brictoria wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan,
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys"
Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.
Like many, I wonder how different this would be had Trump got re-elected.
End result the same - Taliban likely to take control.
As I understand it, however, he had scheduled the exit for the time of year when the Taliban did not engage in military actions, or were just starting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_fighting_season) rather than in the middle/towards the end of the time of year when combat was mainly occurring there, which would have meant they were less organised\not in positions to attack as rapidly. This would also have allowed the departure of civilians in a more orderly manner (as opposed to the chaotic events taking place now). He would also likely have ensured the civilians were out prior to withdrawing the military, as well, and possibly not have abandoned a much better (or, in fact second) airfeld (Bagram) as happened here.
But, the planning and implementation were Mr Biden's (and Ms Harris's) responsibility once they threw out Mr Trump's plans and created their own, so we'll never know for sure what could have happened had Mr Trump's plans been carried out.
We can speculate about what would have happened had Trump still been at the tiller, but we don't know.
This disaster is on Joe, who seemed to be clueless about the reality of the situation.
It seems he engaged in wishful thinking.
18 Aug 2021, 3:06 am
Tross wrote:
Considering he's not Trump, and that's what I wanted? Yeah. Also, the headlines were always lit up with all the bad things Donald said or did. At least Biden has yet to do anything horrible. He's boring, but maybe boring is what we need right now. Things feel normal again, and I'm good with normal. Well...normal other than the pandemic, but considering the other side of the political spectrum is ironically the reason we're still in the mess we're in, I don't blame Biden for that.
You can blame the corruption and self-interest of the political aristocracy, on either side of the political divide, for the Trump phenomenon.
I am sure I have said this less than a million times.
18 Aug 2021, 4:35 am
Pepe wrote:
Tross wrote:
Considering he's not Trump, and that's what I wanted? Yeah. Also, the headlines were always lit up with all the bad things Donald said or did. At least Biden has yet to do anything horrible. He's boring, but maybe boring is what we need right now. Things feel normal again, and I'm good with normal. Well...normal other than the pandemic, but considering the other side of the political spectrum is ironically the reason we're still in the mess we're in, I don't blame Biden for that.
You can blame the corruption and self-interest of the political aristocracy, on either side of the political divide, for the Trump phenomenon.
I am sure I have said this less than a million times.
I'm also glad Donald's no longer being shoved down everyone's throats, and that we've gotten far more peace and quiet lately.
18 Aug 2021, 5:00 am
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18 Aug 2021, 5:02 am
18 Aug 2021, 8:40 am
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan,
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys"
Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.
Oi! I criticised them both!
18 Aug 2021, 8:59 am
The_Walrus wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
President Biden may have made the right decision to withdraw all US soldiers out of Afghanistan, but it is still a shocking sight to see on the news.
Seems to be a double standard as usual. When the US troops were pulled from Iraq and the Kurds were left to fend for themselves Trump was lauded by the right as saving American lives and bringing "home the boys". Now when Biden does the same thing in Afghanistan he's criticised by the same people.18 Aug 2021, 10:31 am
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