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27 Aug 2008, 7:30 am

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In reality, the malicious usually oppress the unarmed (or poorly armed).


There's a simple solution to this; arms for all! Or eliminate the malicious, I could go either way really.


You can't eliminate the malicious, Dox. And "arms for all" is a very bad idea. It's a stupid idea.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:54 am

Dox47 wrote:
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In reality, the malicious usually oppress the unarmed (or poorly armed).


There's a simple solution to this; arms for all!


Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?
Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Nobody'd ever get shot, 'cause everbody'd have a gun!
(Makes sense!)

Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

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Or eliminate the malicious, I could go either way really.


The way to eliminate the malicious is through biological engineering, not more and more weapons.


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27 Aug 2008, 9:02 am

Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?
Read this item from "News of the Weird" and think again.

Revenge of the Critters: A 44-year-old woman accidentally shot herself in the knee while pursuing a mouse inside her travel trailer (Potter Valley, Calif., July). And a 27-year-old man accidentally shot himself in the head while chasing a skunk (Elwood, Utah, May). And a 45-year-old woman accidentally shot herself in the foot while stalking a woodchuck in her garden (Ferryville, Wis., June). And a 57-year-old man accidentally shot himself in the hand while aiming at bees (Williamsburg, Pa., April). And a retired police officer accidentally shot himself in the chest while aiming at a snapping turtle behind his house (Bensalem, Pa., August). mouse: [Press Democrat (Santa Rosa), 7-8-08] skunk: [Deseret News, 5-28-08] woodchuck: [Wisconsin State Journal (Madison), 6-18-08] bees: [WRTA-TV (Altoona), 4-28-08] snapping turtle: [Bucks County Courier Times, 8-2-08]



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27 Aug 2008, 9:19 am

Yeah in South Africa a man shot a car thief to death in the darkness

Turns out the person trying to jack his car was ... his daughter ... sneaking out late at night.

WHOOPS


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27 Aug 2008, 3:23 pm

^ Great points! it raises the question of how much of a good idea is for some people to own a fire arm or to be allowed to own one, for the potential danger.

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The way to eliminate the malicious is through biological engineering, not more and more weapons.

Possibly, but, how exactly would that work?

Another way to eliminate the malicious is to eliminate humanity, no weapons needed after that ;)


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27 Aug 2008, 3:29 pm

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The way to eliminate the malicious is through biological engineering, not more and more weapons.

Possibly, but, how exactly would that work?


Get rid of all this legacy reptilian instinctual crap that drags us down and we'd be perfect angels.

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Another way to eliminate the malicious is to eliminate humanity, no weapons needed after that ;)


Suboptimal solution.


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27 Aug 2008, 4:30 pm

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You can't eliminate the malicious, Dox. And "arms for all" is a very bad idea. It's a stupid idea.


I was actually being somewhat facetious there, though while we're on the subject of stupid ideas, I'm not the one patterning my life on a 2000 year old adventure novel.


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27 Aug 2008, 4:46 pm

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Get rid of all this legacy reptilian instinctual crap that drags us down

If we do that, then, what is left would be, nothing.
Which pretty much resumes into eliminating the human race ;)


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27 Aug 2008, 4:48 pm

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. I don't understand why such a simple concept as personal responsibility is such a hard sell here.


Your first response to my criticism was to blame your behaviour on Aspergers :roll: : Your lack of personal responsibility is what this whole thread has turned into.

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I was actually being somewhat facetious there, though while we're on the subject of stupid ideas, I'm not the one patterning my life on a 2000 year old adventure novel.


In your case the world would be a better place if you did.


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27 Aug 2008, 6:51 pm

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Your first response to my criticism was to blame your behaviour on Aspergers :roll: : Your lack of personal responsibility is what this whole thread has turned into.


Ahh, I see your blood has quit boiling long enough for you to come back to the keyboard, do try not to pop a vein or something, I'd hate to have your blood on my hands. If you recall, this got started because you called me a, "selfish little sh*t" was it? I explained to you that I had a weapons fixation going back to early childhood, and that as an aspie you should be aware that fixation/obsessions are quite common among us. I'm not trying to "justify" or "excuse" anything, I don't feel I need to, that is the crux of my position, I don't feel that there is anything wrong with what I do.

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I was actually being somewhat facetious there, though while we're on the subject of stupid ideas, I'm not the one patterning my life on a 2000 year old adventure novel.


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In your case the world would be a better place if you did.


Nah, The Adventures of JC and the Apostles of Doom aren't for me, if I wanted to amass a bunch of mindless followers... well I don't want a bunch of mindless followers, or to be one.


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27 Aug 2008, 7:13 pm

chever wrote:
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The way to eliminate the malicious is through biological engineering, not more and more weapons.

Possibly, but, how exactly would that work?


Get rid of all this legacy reptilian instinctual crap that drags us down and we'd be perfect angels.



The "legacy reptilian instinctual crap" is what keeps us alive instead of intellectualizing ourselves into ethical paralyzation and consequent starvation.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:19 pm

There is nothing wrong with weapons just as there is nothing wrong with automobiles. They both kill lots of innocent people but at least with cars there is a whole sector of society devoted to see to it that the people who drive have competence and good physical condition to use a car. I don't see anything like that with guns.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:30 pm

Phasors should replace combustion weapons. They have already been developed and are being refined right now.



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27 Aug 2008, 9:58 pm

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There is nothing wrong with weapons just as there is nothing wrong with automobiles. They both kill lots of innocent people but at least with cars there is a whole sector of society devoted to see to it that the people who drive have competence and good physical condition to use a car. I don't see anything like that with guns.


Depends on your locale. Hear in the states it varies considerably from state to state, most states require a permit to carry a firearm and many of those have a training requirement. Most of the crimes committed with firearms are committed by people who acquired them illegally in the first place, so the impact of greater training requirements would be marginal.


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27 Aug 2008, 10:02 pm

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I don't doubt that the majority of people do not want to be killed and it seems that war does, in general, have a terrible effect o most soldiers who must kill or be killed. Nevertheless I have heard that the pilot who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and killed around two hundred thousand fairly innocent Japanese had no regrets.


Yes, but the navigator went nuts!


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27 Aug 2008, 10:07 pm

War is necessary, if you value anything that is.
If you're content to be killed or trampled by others, good for you.