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24 Sep 2008, 1:34 pm

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Going back to original topic, I used to have some friends who were all into this; they went as far as getting P4 filters and getting all the flouride out of their water.



We bought a reverse osmosis unit to get the fluoride out - not because of any fears of mind control, but because fluoride competes with iodide and can interfere with thyroid function (my wife has a thyroid condition). There is no doubt in my mind that fluoride is added because it improves the strength of tooth enamel (and bones), which is good thing. But (like any medicine or action) it can also have unwanted side effects.


Exactly - fluoridated water being bad for you isn't a conspiracy, it's scientific and medical fact. It depletes the body of iodine and causes major thyroid problems (I have a strong likelihood of developing thyroid problems so I'm pretty anal about knowing what's what), it causes bone problems, dental fluorosis, and reproductive problems, as well as having been linked to 'lower IQ' (i.e. slightly impaired mental function).

The fluoride they add isn't the same as the naturally occuring stuff - they use silicofluorides which are by-products of various industries. Plus it's more than a little unethical to medicate people who don't need or want it. Why don't they spend the money educating children about oral hygiene and handing out toothbrushes and toothpaste for free?

Any effect fluoride does have on dental health is purely topical, i.e. you need to brush it on and into the teeth, which is why it's in toothpastes. Swallowing it - systemic ingestion - doesn't do anything for your teeth but it will harm other systems, as I outlined above. Think how much contact water has with your teeth when you drink it - very, very fleeting.


....hope that helps. It's not conspiracy; it's simple science.


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24 Sep 2008, 1:38 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
monty wrote:
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Going back to original topic, I used to have some friends who were all into this; they went as far as getting P4 filters and getting all the flouride out of their water.



We bought a reverse osmosis unit to get the fluoride out - not because of any fears of mind control, but because fluoride competes with iodide and can interfere with thyroid function (my wife has a thyroid condition). There is no doubt in my mind that fluoride is added because it improves the strength of tooth enamel (and bones), which is good thing. But (like any medicine or action) it can also have unwanted side effects.

Exactly - fluoridated water being bad for you isn't a conspiracy, it's scientific and medical fact. It depletes the body of iodine and causes major thyroid problems (I have a strong likelihood of developing thyroid problems so I'm pretty anal about knowing what's what), it causes bone problems, dental fluorosis, and reproductive problems, as well as having been linked to 'lower IQ' (i.e. slightly impaired mental function).

The fluoride they add isn't the same as the naturally occuring stuff - they use silicofluorides which are by-products of various industries.

Any effect fluoride does have on dental health is purely topical, i.e. you need to brush it on and into the teeth, which is why it's in toothpastes. Swallowing it - systemic ingestion - doesn't do anything for your teeth but it will harm other systems, as I outlined above. Think how much contact water has with your teeth when you drink it - very, very fleeting.


....hope that helps. It's not conspiracy; it's simple science.


Yes, thank you LeKiwi. The word conspiracy was invented by the accused. Why do you think they put flouride in there though?... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.



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24 Sep 2008, 3:12 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
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monty wrote:
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Going back to original topic, I used to have some friends who were all into this; they went as far as getting P4 filters and getting all the flouride out of their water.



We bought a reverse osmosis unit to get the fluoride out - not because of any fears of mind control, but because fluoride competes with iodide and can interfere with thyroid function (my wife has a thyroid condition). There is no doubt in my mind that fluoride is added because it improves the strength of tooth enamel (and bones), which is good thing. But (like any medicine or action) it can also have unwanted side effects.

Exactly - fluoridated water being bad for you isn't a conspiracy, it's scientific and medical fact. It depletes the body of iodine and causes major thyroid problems (I have a strong likelihood of developing thyroid problems so I'm pretty anal about knowing what's what), it causes bone problems, dental fluorosis, and reproductive problems, as well as having been linked to 'lower IQ' (i.e. slightly impaired mental function).

The fluoride they add isn't the same as the naturally occuring stuff - they use silicofluorides which are by-products of various industries.

Any effect fluoride does have on dental health is purely topical, i.e. you need to brush it on and into the teeth, which is why it's in toothpastes. Swallowing it - systemic ingestion - doesn't do anything for your teeth but it will harm other systems, as I outlined above. Think how much contact water has with your teeth when you drink it - very, very fleeting.


....hope that helps. It's not conspiracy; it's simple science.


Yes, thank you LeKiwi. The word conspiracy was invented by the accused. Why do you think they put flouride in there though?... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.



There's several potential answers:

1 - Entirely altruistic but entirely misguided; they believe it helps people's teeth, but are entirely ignorant of the facts
2 - It's an easy way for industry to get rid of its waste products
3 - More sinister; keeping the population sick/birth control/generating more revenue for pharma etc by way of making people ill/etc etc

Personally, I think it's mostly a combination of 1 and 2, but I dunno, 3 isn't entirely implausible.


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24 Sep 2008, 3:59 pm

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... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Fluoride is present in high amounts in black and green tea, and some areas have natural fluoride in their water. Fluoride in the water (or fluoride supplements) can reduce cavities to a degree - when children are forming the enamel, fluoride supplements will make it into the enamel and strengthen it. After a certain age, the enamel is fixed an only a topical application will yield further benefits.



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24 Sep 2008, 4:04 pm

Originally, Sodium Fluoride was used to fluoridate water. More recently, Hexafluorosilicic Acid and its salt (Sodium Hexafluorosilicate) have become more common, especially in the United States.



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24 Sep 2008, 4:15 pm

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... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Fluoride is present in high amounts in black and green tea, and some areas have natural fluoride in their water. Fluoride in the water (or fluoride supplements) can reduce cavities to a degree - when children are forming the enamel, fluoride supplements will make it into the enamel and strengthen it. After a certain age, the enamel is fixed an only a topical application will yield further benefits.


You're confusing the kinds of fluoride. The fluoride added to water artificially is not naturally-occuring fluoride, whereas that in tea is. Also, systemic ingestion of fluoride doesn't affect the teeth in any positive way (it will likely cause fluorisis, which makes teeth mottled and brittle) - topical can help, but unless you take a mouthful, rinse it around your teeth, then spit it out again, fluoridating water or taking supplements won't help. There are treatments available where they'll blast it on dry teeth, however, which children can use.

I personally haven't ever even used fluoride toothpaste... no holes as yet.


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24 Sep 2008, 5:01 pm

How was fluoridation of public drinking water a Conspiracy? Sounds to me like it was a public health Blunder. :?



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24 Sep 2008, 5:04 pm

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How was fluoridation of public drinking water a Conspiracy? Sounds to me like it was a public health Blunder. :?


That word 'conspiracy' was created by the accused.



flouride is harmful to the body, that's all that was being said.. sheesh



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24 Sep 2008, 5:07 pm

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I personally haven't ever even used fluoride toothpaste... no holes as yet.



I only use baking soda to brush my teeth.. toothpaste is a waste of money, in faact LeKiwi it's the biggest selling product in Walmart.. no other retail store sells more toothpaste than Walmart.

So why would they want to stop producing it?

Simple fact, baking soda is much more effective..



also, acids and sugars soften the enamel of your teeth up, so don't brush your teeth right after you eat, instead wait an hour, because if you brush right away it can strip the enamel from your teeth.. just letting ya knoww :)

if you dont have time for that, brush before you eat instead



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24 Sep 2008, 5:59 pm

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I personally haven't ever even used fluoride toothpaste... no holes as yet.



I only use baking soda to brush my teeth.. toothpaste is a waste of money, in faact LeKiwi it's the biggest selling product in Walmart.. no other retail store sells more toothpaste than Walmart.

So why would they want to stop producing it?

Simple fact, baking soda is much more effective..



also, acids and sugars soften the enamel of your teeth up, so don't brush your teeth right after you eat, instead wait an hour, because if you brush right away it can strip the enamel from your teeth.. just letting ya knoww :)

if you dont have time for that, brush before you eat instead


Be careful with using baking soda though dude, it's a mild abrasive and can end up damaging your teeth if you use it too much or use a too gritty one. :)

You're right about when to brush though - I always just brush before I eat and right when I get up. Most toothpaste is also full of SLS and artificial sweeteners and additives and chemicals... nasty stuff, specially given that the mouth absorbs about 10x more than other parts of the body. I use baking soda once a week for a deep clean, but in the in-between use a natural toothpaste. This one, in fact. http://www.walavita.de/english/dental-c ... oothpaste/ It's lovely and fresh, with natural cleansers and soothers and strengtheners. Can't do flossing though, hehe, hate it... one of my aspie aversions, we'll say.


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24 Sep 2008, 6:51 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
monty wrote:
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... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Fluoride is present in high amounts in black and green tea, and some areas have natural fluoride in their water. Fluoride in the water (or fluoride supplements) can reduce cavities to a degree - when children are forming the enamel, fluoride supplements will make it into the enamel and strengthen it. After a certain age, the enamel is fixed an only a topical application will yield further benefits.


You're confusing the kinds of fluoride. The fluoride added to water artificially is not naturally-occuring fluoride, whereas that in tea is.


There are plenty of naturally-occurring poisons, whether something is naturally-occurring or not has no bearing whatsoever on its benefits or lack thereof.
The most effective way of avoiding tooth decay seems to be avoiding sugars.


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24 Sep 2008, 8:33 pm

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LeKiwi wrote:
monty wrote:
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... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Fluoride is present in high amounts in black and green tea, and some areas have natural fluoride in their water. Fluoride in the water (or fluoride supplements) can reduce cavities to a degree - when children are forming the enamel, fluoride supplements will make it into the enamel and strengthen it. After a certain age, the enamel is fixed an only a topical application will yield further benefits.


You're confusing the kinds of fluoride. The fluoride added to water artificially is not naturally-occuring fluoride, whereas that in tea is.


There are plenty of naturally-occurring poisons, whether something is naturally-occurring or not has no bearing whatsoever on its benefits or lack thereof.
The most effective way of avoiding tooth decay seems to be avoiding sugars.


I think the point is that flouride is a bad thing to add to drinking tap water.



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24 Sep 2008, 8:36 pm

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Personally, I think it's mostly a combination of 1 and 2, but I dunno, 3 isn't entirely implausible.


So have you stopped believing in the Illuminati?... seriously, don't let other people push you down.. If flouride is being added to the water it isn't out of ignorance, I've heard it been advertised, and they know it's there, therefor the only answer can be number 3.. they know it's bad, and they know it can cause disease. Otherwise our water 'purification' kind of goes right out the window..



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24 Sep 2008, 10:01 pm

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Yes, thank you LeKiwi. The word conspiracy was invented by the accused. Why do you think they put flouride in there though?... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Oxygen is a corrosive gas that contributes to our death. It's also a fire hazard.

I suspect the widespread presence of oxygen in the air (21% in many places) is a government conspiracy to keep us down and ruin our health.

Fortunately, I'm off that Illuminati teat. Only five or six minutes after I stopped using the government's poison 'oxygen' altogether, the Truth™ of Internet conspiracy theories suddenly made perfect sense in my mind. It was so clear: the government wants grey aliens to ruin our bodies with dental additives in tap water, so that they can spend more money on Medicare and other public health insurance programs, which are already greatly expensive, thereby clearly tightening the noose on the hordes of Sheople™ who have been indoctrinated to think about what the f**k they are saying before they post.

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Personally, I think it's mostly a combination of 1 and 2, but I dunno, 3 isn't entirely implausible.


So have you stopped believing in the Illuminati?... seriously, don't let other people push you down.. If flouride is being added to the water it isn't out of ignorance, I've heard it been advertised, and they know it's there, therefor the only answer can be number 3.. they know it's bad, and they know it can cause disease. Otherwise our water 'purification' kind of goes right out the window..


The marginal benefit of fluoridation outweighs the marginal cost. There are a few people who have thyroid problems and such that can't handle fluorine, but they are few and far between.

Water is typically chlorinated, too, because chlorine is an antiseptic. That's also the same gas (used in much larger concentrations) to kill hordes of soldiers in World War I. But I'll wager you didn't die last time you were in a swimming pool.

Everything is a poison. Only the degree of application matters.


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24 Sep 2008, 10:10 pm

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Yes, thank you LeKiwi. The word conspiracy was invented by the accused. Why do you think they put flouride in there though?... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Oxygen is a corrosive gas that contributes to our death. It's also a fire hazard.

I suspect the widespread presence of oxygen in the air (21% in many places) is a government conspiracy to keep us down and ruin our health.

Fortunately, I'm off that Illuminati teat. Only five or six minutes after I stopped using the government's poison 'oxygen' altogether, the Truth™ of Internet conspiracy theories suddenly made perfect sense in my mind. It was so clear: the government wants grey aliens to ruin our bodies with dental additives in tap water, so that they can spend more money on Medicare and other public health insurance programs, which are already greatly expensive, thereby clearly tightening the noose on the hordes of Sheople™ who have been indoctrinated to think about what the f**k they are saying before they post.

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Personally, I think it's mostly a combination of 1 and 2, but I dunno, 3 isn't entirely implausible.


So have you stopped believing in the Illuminati?... seriously, don't let other people push you down.. If flouride is being added to the water it isn't out of ignorance, I've heard it been advertised, and they know it's there, therefor the only answer can be number 3.. they know it's bad, and they know it can cause disease. Otherwise our water 'purification' kind of goes right out the window..


The marginal benefit of fluoridation outweighs the marginal cost. There are a few people who have thyroid problems and such that can't handle fluorine, but they are few and far between.

Water is typically chlorinated, too, because chlorine is an antiseptic. That's also the same gas (used in much larger concentrations) to kill hordes of soldiers in World War I. But I'll wager you didn't die last time you were in a swimming pool.

Everything is a poison. Only the degree of application matters.



If you're interested in what I actually believe, I don't believe in aliens anymore... It's not due to inconsistency,it's because being a truther, I got caught up in the terrible propaganda road block that the Illuminati/government continueously output to distract people like me.. I no longer trust anything that comes from any media outlette.. I didn't realize at the time that every example I had was from a news channell.. tsk tsk.

But don't give up on the Illuminati.. they are planning your funeral, so I don't think it would be nice to disrespect them by not believing in them.



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24 Sep 2008, 10:16 pm

Red Skies should only ever mean the Chinese are attacking

and I must say...I think I could convince them to let me live (like a partisan or something-with all that communist stuff I got lol)

come on reds where are you :lol: