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10 May 2011, 12:19 am

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Once again: Either please show me or else please just shut the f**k up in relation to your false allegation.

It's not a false allegation. You've been ranting and raving on your experience. Period. That's not disputable. I'm not the only poster to make this claim. Get over yourself and recognize that by doing this and claiming you haven't, you made a false claim.

I am actually a bit surprised at your willingness to so easily play into my own hand here, but we really can just put this particular matter to rest:

Bethie either could not or would not hear and acknowledge what I had been saying about the matter of "believe in", and her not doing so had led to her own false accusation against me ... and now you are intentionally-or-otherwise simply helping to carry that along. So then ...

1) I used to "believe in", but that had proved to be of no good use to me;
2) By the time I got to Step Two ...

"2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."

Note: Please specifically notice the complete absence of the word "in" there.

**refresh screen**

1) I used to "believe in", but that had proved to be of no good use to me;
2) By the time I got to Step Two, I no longer "believed in";
3) I was not "believing in" anything at all while engaging the Twelve Steps in order to hopefully recover from my chronic alcoholism.

I had really preferred that you just stop re-making/repeating Bethie's false accusation against me, and all of these most-recent and somewhat distracting posts related to that are because of your own insistence and not mine!

Anything else for today?! 8)


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10 May 2011, 12:27 am

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"2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."

Note: Please specifically notice the complete absence of the word "in" there.

It's the freaking same thing.

You were a christian before all that happened, you believed in God, unless there was a point in that time in which, you did not believe that God exists, was that the case? if not, then you 'believed in' all this time.



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10 May 2011, 12:29 am

blunnet wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
"2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."

Note: Please specifically notice the complete absence of the word "in" there.

It's the freaking same thing.

I understand why you say that, but I see a great difference:

1) While I was yet "believing in", I had hope (albeit ever so false);
2) "Believing that" (as opposed to "believing in") was a matter of merely hoping (what I had been told actually might be true).


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10 May 2011, 12:31 am

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Vigilans is not bound to follow my style, nor Bethie to think like you. Have you been training her, by the way? It is not taking.


Ouch.

Is that the rejection of your cyber sex invitation talking, Phil?

:lol:


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10 May 2011, 12:32 am

EDIT NOTE: This post is not a response to Bethie's recent post as it was composed prior to her recent post being published.

Okay, I'm starting to think that the marginal cost of participating in this debate exceeded the marginal benefit 13 pages ago.


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10 May 2011, 12:37 am

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I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I never understand what the hell he's saying. Even after you pointed it out, I still dunno what it is about his posts that make me go "wtf?". It's more than just him going off on tangents. There's just something wacked out about the way he words things and such.


Isn't this sad, guys?

"Although the course of Alzheimer's disease is unique for every individual, there are many common symptoms. The earliest observable symptoms are often mistakenly thought to be 'age-related' concerns, or manifestations of stress. In the early stages, the most common symptom is inability to acquire new memories, observed as difficulty in recalling recently observed events. As the disease advances, symptoms include confusion, irritability and aggression, mood swings, language breakdown, long-term memory loss, and the general withdrawal of the sufferer as their senses decline. AD develops for an indeterminate period of time before becoming fully apparent, and it can progress undiagnosed for years. The mean life expectancy following diagnosis is approximately seven years. Fewer than three percent of individuals live more than fourteen years after diagnosis."


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10 May 2011, 12:40 am

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You were a christian before all that happened, you believed in God, unless there was a point in that time in which, you did not believe that God exists, was that the case? if not, then you 'believed in' all this time.

Oops. I had responded while you were yet finishing.

Again:

1) Yes, I was once a self-professed Christian (and I wonder whether you might be aware of the problem with that);
2) Yes, that was before "all that happened" at least as far as discovering the uselessness of "beliving in";
3) No, there was never a time I specifically "did not believe God exists" ...

Question: Do you recall my admission as having been a delusional agnostic?

Either way, it is my understand that only atheists are "require to believe" (or even to "believe in") the alleged non-existence of "God".

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... then you 'believed in' all this time.

Nope. As a "delusional agnostic", my faith was yet placed in -- I yet "believed in" -- only my own self.


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10 May 2011, 12:46 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
EDIT NOTE: This post is not a response to Bethie's recent post as it was composed prior to her recent post being published.

Okay, I'm starting to think that the marginal cost of participating in this debate exceeded the marginal benefit 13 pages ago.

Aw shucks, and I had just been thinking about popping some corn ... :roll:


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10 May 2011, 12:54 am

leejosepho wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
EDIT NOTE: This post is not a response to Bethie's recent post as it was composed prior to her recent post being published.

Okay, I'm starting to think that the marginal cost of participating in this debate exceeded the marginal benefit 13 pages ago.

Aw shucks, and I had just been thinking about popping some corn ... :roll:


"Poppping corn" or going through the actions of making popcorn. 'Cause, as you've demonstrated trhoughout this thread, apparent linguistic equivalencies really aren't the same. :roll:


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10 May 2011, 1:00 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
EDIT NOTE: This post is not a response to Bethie's recent post as it was composed prior to her recent post being published.

Okay, I'm starting to think that the marginal cost of participating in this debate exceeded the marginal benefit 13 pages ago.

Aw shucks, and I had just been thinking about popping some corn ... :roll:


"Poppping corn" or going through the actions of making popcorn. 'Cause, as you've demonstrated trhoughout this thread, apparent linguistic equivalencies really aren't the same. :roll:

Okay, you win! :oops:


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10 May 2011, 1:05 am

Bethie wrote:
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I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I never understand what the hell he's saying. Even after you pointed it out, I still dunno what it is about his posts that make me go "wtf?". It's more than just him going off on tangents. There's just something wacked out about the way he words things and such.


Isn't this sad, guys?

"Although the course of Alzheimer's disease is unique for every individual, there are many common symptoms. The earliest observable symptoms are often mistakenly thought to be 'age-related' concerns, or manifestations of stress. In the early stages, the most common symptom is inability to acquire new memories, observed as difficulty in recalling recently observed events. As the disease advances, symptoms include confusion, irritability and aggression, mood swings, language breakdown, long-term memory loss, and the general withdrawal of the sufferer as their senses decline. AD develops for an indeterminate period of time before becoming fully apparent, and it can progress undiagnosed for years. The mean life expectancy following diagnosis is approximately seven years. Fewer than three percent of individuals live more than fourteen years after diagnosis."


:cry:
Huh? Philogos has Alzheimers? Or is this supposed to be a jab at me?

EDIT: Silly me, that wasn't a jab at all. But Philogos does tend to throw haymakers at really unorthodox angles :P



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10 May 2011, 4:05 am

leejosepho wrote:
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You were a christian before all that happened, you believed in God, unless there was a point in that time in which, you did not believe that God exists, was that the case? if not, then you 'believed in' all this time.

Oops. I had responded while you were yet finishing.

Again:

1) Yes, I was once a self-professed Christian (and I wonder whether you might be aware of the problem with that);
2) Yes, that was before "all that happened" at least as far as discovering the uselessness of "beliving in";
3) No, there was never a time I specifically "did not believe God exists" ...

Question: Do you recall my admission as having been a delusional agnostic?

Either way, it is my understand that only atheists are "require to believe" (or even to "believe in") the alleged non-existence of "God".

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... then you 'believed in' all this time.

Nope. As a "delusional agnostic", my faith was yet placed in -- I yet "believed in" -- only my own self.


Exactly do you really care whether god actually exists or not before you believe or believe in god? If it is god and not your belief that does the job than what is the different between believe or believe in or disbelieve?



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10 May 2011, 6:48 am

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I am actually a bit surprised at your willingness to so easily play into my own hand here, but we really can just put this particular matter to rest:

Not "your own hand", because you always do this. It's always a waste of time as people assume you're actually an honest participant when you aren't. You always go off in your own special world about this and yes, rant and rave.

No, the matter isn't at rest. You're f*****g deluded, or you f*****g lied. I don't care which, but get the stones to deal with the truth of the matter.



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10 May 2011, 7:30 am

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Vigilans is not bound to follow my style, nor Bethie to think like you. Have you been training her, by the way? It is not taking.


Ouch.

Is that the rejection of your cyber sex invitation talking, Phil?

:lol:


Actually, it was intended as a mostly positive comment, reflecting my observation that your style of argumentation - while far from mine - is very different from AG's insistence on a rather formal debate appealing not only to the conclusions of a consensus - not always the same consensus - but also to a rhetor's rulebook.

Your delivery is much louder, much less ordered, and [you do not have to endorse enneatyping, but I find it provides many useful insights, so why not talk about it?] you are clearly much different in personality. I am thinking ennea-7, but early days yet and I do not rule out 8. I tend [though I see many positives in AG which I need not enumerate, since I have already gone into some of this with him] to prefer your style. If you can stand up to the energy and attitude of 7 or 8, you can make more progress in communicaton than with a formal 5w6.

If some one solicited your participation in cyber sex, 'twas not I. Not my thing.



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10 May 2011, 7:34 am

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If I am a socialist, than it is of the Fabian variety.

Please note that he doesn't contest being whiny or overly pedantic. :P :P :P :P :wink:


I have not observed whiny - not a feature of any of what I would call major players here,

As for overly pedantic I [clearly] have nothing against pedantry, and how much pedantry is excessive in one who designates himself Master Pedant?



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10 May 2011, 7:38 am

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Yawn PPR has gotten really boring lately. Too much religion and not enough politics or philosophy.


It is all in the tastebuds.

By me it is FAR too much who cares politics, mostly partisan, and far too little religious discussion, most of the "religion" postings being antireligion political stances.

Chacun a son gout, after all.

Last time I worked to get the accents in, but today you and the French will forgive me for not doing the necessary work with an Anglo keyboard.