If there was an Autistic state would you migrate there?

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Would you move to a state for ASD people?
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No 55%  55%  [ 48 ]
Maybe (state why) 14%  14%  [ 12 ]
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23 Apr 2015, 4:14 pm

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oOiella was there a few days ago, and it's a scam. Police doesn't allow anyone to enter that area...they are just soliciting money for citizenship.


I have read the article to see if it was Thomas81 his group that was behind this. And therefore have not looked for any signs that it might be a scam. And Kraichgauer, looking at their official forum, there are probably several hundreds that have already fallen for it.



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23 Apr 2015, 7:56 pm

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Booyakasha wrote:
oOiella was there a few days ago, and it's a scam. Police doesn't allow anyone to enter that area...they are just soliciting money for citizenship.


I have read the article to see if it was Thomas81 his group that was behind this. And therefore have not looked for any signs that it might be a scam. And Kraichgauer, looking at their official forum, there are probably several hundreds that have already fallen for it.


On one hand, I feel bad for people who have been taken advantage of, even if they are partially responsible by being stupid. But on the other hand, I have to think that the sort of people who fell for this scheme are the hard right libertarians who don't want to pay taxes because they don't want their money going to the unwashed and undeserving, who have committed Atlas Shrugged to memory, and who in their secret heart of hearts imagine themselves to be Nietzsche's Uber Mensch, and so it takes me to give a little extra effort to feel sorry for them.


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23 Apr 2015, 11:45 pm

How would such a state or enclave define Autism?. By the DSM written mostly by non-Autistics? Would "self diagnosed" people be allowed to be citizens or be viewed as 2nd class citizens? Would people who define themselves as Aspie be shunned as supremacists or viewed as fomenting disunity?


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24 Apr 2015, 8:06 am

Yes we were beaten to it! It's also inhabited anyway by lumberjacks. Croatian police weren't happy about this and closed the border a few days after we visited. I'm surprised they let us go there as they turned some journalists back the same day. 200,000 people have now e-mailed copies of their passports or ID's to liberland. This will be a goldmine for identity fraudsters! Still, it was nice meeting booya in Zagreb.



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24 Apr 2015, 8:20 am

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Yes we were beaten to it! It's also inhabited anyway by lumberjacks. Croatian police weren't happy about this and closed the border a few days after we visited. I'm surprised they let us go there as they turned some journalists back the same day. 200,000 people have now e-mailed copies of their passports or ID's to liberland. This will be a goldmine for identity fraudsters! Still, it was nice meeting booya in Zagreb.


Yes, it was very nice meeting you and your friend :) Too bad there are no more of such autistic meetups here or somewhere nearby...



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27 Apr 2015, 2:09 pm

This is going to be great for Serbia. I even wonder if they had a hand in arranging it. By deciding to excercise sovereignty over Siga, Croatia has given up any claim to land across the Danube. The dispute is now settled, though Croatia will probably attempt to dispute that...



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28 Apr 2015, 1:02 am

It's funny how Croatian media doesn't mention it - only Serbian does...and still there is police allowing the entrance only to a few, and the self proclaimed "president" still isn't even there...I personally don't think it will last...Croats don't have sense for humour :P



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28 Apr 2015, 6:22 am

Croatia still has the upper hand, as it can block Serbia's accession to EU over this, like Slovenia did to Croatia over a maritime border dispute.

I think the land in Siga is actually owned by the Croatian state. I don't know if sovreign states can be landowners in other countries?



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28 Apr 2015, 6:23 am

They seem a lot harsher with Bosnian and Serb journalists. While they were turned back and threatened with a fine, the police allowed journalists from other countries (and us) to visit there.



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28 Apr 2015, 6:36 am

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Croatia still has the upper hand, as it can block Serbia's accession to EU over this, like Slovenia did to Croatia over a maritime border dispute.

I think the land in Siga is actually owned by the Croatian state. I don't know if sovreign states can be landowners in other countries?


I think it belongs to Croatia, yes - and it's guarded by Croatian police. I don't think they can just claim the territory like that, in a politically disputed area, but we will see...

apparently there was even one more person claiming that territory - some Paraduin? :scratch:

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It is unclear if Liberland is for real, or some sort of a political stunt. At this point, it’s just a website where people can apply for citizenship. The Verge reports that while the flag was raised over the said territory after the founding, it has since been taken down and journalists are being kept out by Croatian military. There’s also a rumor that the land was already claimed by another new nation called Paraduin. And the fact that Croatian and Serbian governments have kept mum on the issue so far is also a bit dubious.

But if you’re interested in becoming a citizen of Liberland for fun, you could register through their official website.


http://www.odditycentral.com/news/man-f ... peace.html



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28 Apr 2015, 6:59 am

I found it being mentioned in Croatian media as well - but just as a joke:

http://www.telegram.hr/politika-krimina ... na-dunavu/



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28 Apr 2015, 7:22 am

Enough yakking about south east European geopolitics!

Back to the subject please.

So...why should we all want to move to an all-autistic country again ?

Remind me again as to what the benefits of that are supposed to be.



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28 Apr 2015, 10:33 am

Read further up the thread. I'm not going the repeat what I said just because you're too lazy to see for yourself



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29 Apr 2015, 11:01 am

No. The country would be so damn economically weak. NT people make the world go round and do jobs, most people with ASD are unemployed because they can't work. A country with 80+% unemployment? I sure as hell don't want to be there. Also who would help? Not many autistic people can live independtly and need help with life.



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29 Apr 2015, 11:57 am

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No. The country would be so damn economically weak. NT people make the world go round and do jobs, most people with ASD are unemployed because they can't work. A country with 80+% unemployment? I sure as hell don't want to be there. Also who would help? Not many autistic people can live independtly and need help with life.


I doubt very much an all Autistic country would have nearly an 80% unemployment rate because in such a hypothetical place such things as networking ability, understanding non -verbal language and social ques would not have such prominence. Work places would be designed for less sensory overload. Also thing such things as stimming behaviors would not be branded as "wrong" or "weird".

NT's make the world go round and round not because they are better people, but because they are 98% of the population.


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30 Apr 2015, 1:18 am

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iliketrees wrote:
No. The country would be so damn economically weak. NT people make the world go round and do jobs, most people with ASD are unemployed because they can't work. A country with 80+% unemployment? I sure as hell don't want to be there. Also who would help? Not many autistic people can live independtly and need help with life.


I doubt very much an all Autistic country would have nearly an 80% unemployment rate because in such a hypothetical place such things as networking ability, understanding non -verbal language and social ques would not have such prominence. Work places would be designed for less sensory overload. Also thing such things as stimming behaviors would not be branded as "wrong" or "weird".

NT's make the world go round and round not because they are better people, but because they are 98% of the population.


Maybe so, but what about independent living? This sounds like an island for the high functioning. Someone with severe autism would not be able to function on this island.

Not to mention people with autism can be complete opposites of one another. An office, say, with someone who talked extremely loud, was under-sensitive to sound and tapped constantly would be a complete nightmare mixed with someone incredibly oversensitive to sound. Someone who unknowingly touched everyone and had no clue on personal space would not get on with someone who cannot be touched, period. Someone who always feels hot and someone who always feels cold would always fight over the heating and air conditioners. And without NTs to take a control of things workplaces would be full of meltdowns for the same reason as before; other damn people.