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25 Jan 2016, 8:19 pm

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I know there are gun laws and some of you really prove my point. I never said anything about making new laws, all I said was any talk of gun regulation gets met with "they want my guns!!" I really just want to know what is considered reasonable.

And Dox,

If you say every law leads to more laws and is a slippery slope and never mention what you consider to be reasonable regulation, then what else am I to believe other than you want no regulations at all?

NONE!! !! !! !! !! !


There is it clear to you now. NO MORE FURTHER GUN LAWS. ZERO!! !! We have way more then enough as is. We need less.



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25 Jan 2016, 8:23 pm

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you don't understand why someone would be afraid of a gun that can chew most up anything that isn't armor plated. you've not really changed have you raptor :p


By the same token, I don't live in fear of a 747 crashing down on my house.
That's because aeroplanes are regulated 3 ways from sunday, unlike firearms.


Well here's list of airplane crashes that resulted in at least 50 deaths. You'll have to go down through and pick out the ones that occurred in the US but there are several.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_accidents_and_incidents_resulting_in_at_least_50_fatalities

Sorry, but for some reason I couldn't find a list of deaths by M-134 miniguns in the US.
I wonder why... :chin:

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p.s that's catfish, you've mixed up your fish again :p

My fillet knife won't know the difference, eitehr.


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25 Jan 2016, 8:26 pm

my relations were gun manufacturers and were basically financially destroyed by misplaced lawsuits against a legal [for better or worse] product.



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25 Jan 2016, 8:28 pm

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How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...


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25 Jan 2016, 8:34 pm

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How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...


Well I can see you never heard of A.L.E.C.

And you know what else speaks volumes. Citing Wikipedia and infowars to bolster your arguments.



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25 Jan 2016, 8:37 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
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Fugu wrote:
How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...


Well I can see you never heard of A.L.E.C.

And you know what else speaks volumes. Citing Wikipedia and infowars to bolster your arguments.


Yeah, and just I feel so awful about it.
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25 Jan 2016, 8:59 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Fugu wrote:
How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...


Well I can see you never heard of A.L.E.C.

And you know what else speaks volumes. Citing Wikipedia and infowars to bolster your arguments.


Yeah, and just I feel so awful about it.
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Ok :|



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25 Jan 2016, 9:08 pm

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
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How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...
now you're just being dishonest. Lobbying has been a thing since at least the 70s to influence laws being written, and the military-industrial complex is one of the biggest industries in america thanks to how much america spends on defense.
doesn't seem like it eh? you must not have bothered to read anything I posted. you're still a concern troll, color me shocked.



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25 Jan 2016, 9:14 pm

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According to biased left polls 52% of Americans oppose further gun restrictions.

Also gun control ranked 19 out of 23 of important issues with only 2% saying it was one of the nations important issue. So there's 18 more important issues the president and congress should concern it's self with.

You're Such s hypocrite . So it's ok for your side to lecture people on not putting any measures forward but when one of us then turns it around and says he hasn't himself then we'll the bad guys. Wish you'd stayed away for good.
those "biased left polls" are Gallup polls, one of the most respected names in data collection. I'm curious where you're getting 19 out of 23 from.

feel free to link to where you saw Doxx put forward a solution. until then, please don't call me names, thanks!



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25 Jan 2016, 9:14 pm

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And Dox,

If you say every law leads to more laws and is a slippery slope and never mention what you consider to be reasonable regulation, then what else am I to believe other than you want no regulations at all?


I've told you my position before; it's not about the guns, it's about poverty and culture. Work on that other stuff first, then we can talk about guns, but until that point, there's no point.

I see what you're doing here and in other threads, you're trying to make us look like extremists for supporting "unregulated guns" when the status quo is the opposite of unregulated, and what we're opposing is expanding that regulation. It's a stupid game, and getting annoying.

You've also yet to answer my abortion question.


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25 Jan 2016, 9:17 pm

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Fugu wrote:
How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...
now you're just being dishonest. Lobbying has been a thing since at least the 70s to influence laws being written, and the military-industrial complex is one of the biggest industries in america thanks to how much america spends on defense.
doesn't seem like it eh? you must not have bothered to read anything I posted. you're still a concern troll, color me shocked.

Last time you just called me a troll.
Now I'm a concern troll. Is that like a promotion? :D
Either way, if I'm a troll you're a troll enabler. :shameonyou:


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25 Jan 2016, 9:24 pm

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Citing Wikipedia and infowars to bolster your arguments.


Wikipedia is no more inaccurate than any other encyclopedia, certainly not in the same league as infowars. Really though, I hate this type of laze ad hominem argument, if you think a source is wrong, prove it, don't just try and throw shade without specifics.


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25 Jan 2016, 9:26 pm

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Fugu wrote:
How is it not the issue of non-gun owners when the gun companies/lobbies refuse to accept that their products aren't regulated sufficiently? they could easily make the bad press go away and save lives, but instead they're valuing dollar bills over human lives.


Actually, they're valuing truth over ignorance and idiocy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
truth huh? ok then. Is it truth that the gun industry has ignored what the public wanted for ~ the past 20 odd years with respect to gun regulation?

The fact that you think private industry is responsible for drafting and passing legislation into law speaks volumes.
And it doesnt seem like the John Q. Citizens are all that worried about more regulation with all the guns they've bought since your boy Barack took office. Something else you wouldn't know diddly about...
now you're just being dishonest. Lobbying has been a thing since at least the 70s to influence laws being written, and the military-industrial complex is one of the biggest industries in america thanks to how much america spends on defense.
doesn't seem like it eh? you must not have bothered to read anything I posted. you're still a concern troll, color me shocked.

Last time you just called me a troll.
Now I'm a concern troll. Is that like a promotion? :D
Either way, if I'm a troll you're a troll enabler. :shameonyou:
nice, so you're just throwing up your hands and going "argue? i'm just here to throw stones! hey, why are you all looking at me like that?"



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25 Jan 2016, 9:27 pm

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And Dox,

If you say every law leads to more laws and is a slippery slope and never mention what you consider to be reasonable regulation, then what else am I to believe other than you want no regulations at all?


I've told you my position before; it's not about the guns, it's about poverty and culture. Work on that other stuff first, then we can talk about guns, but until that point, there's no point.

I see what you're doing here and in other threads, you're trying to make us look like extremists for supporting "unregulated guns" when the status quo is the opposite of unregulated, and what we're opposing is expanding that regulation. It's a stupid game, and getting annoying.

You've also yet to answer my abortion question.


Well for one thing, I don't believe every law regarding abortion is designed to eliminate it. Some are sure, but definitely not all of them. Can you restate again exactly what you're question is? I can't quite remember what you said and it's hard to look it up on my phone.

Also, you're making yourself look like the extremist here not me.



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25 Jan 2016, 9:36 pm

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Citing Wikipedia and infowars to bolster your arguments.


Wikipedia is no more inaccurate than any other encyclopedia, certainly not in the same league as infowars. Really though, I hate this type of laze ad hominem argument, if you think a source is wrong, prove it, don't just try and throw shade without specifics.


I've listened to quite a bit of Alex Jones the creator of that site. He claimed Sandy Hook, The Aurora Shooting, The Boston marathon bombing and the Shooting of Congresswoman Giffords were all either false flags or bearing the hallmarks of false flags within hours of each event. He claimed that the global elite want to eliminate 90+ percent of the world population then merge their own consciousness with computers so they can live forever. So yeah I don't trust anything associated with Alex Jones.

And with Wikipedia, I'll agree that on non-contentious political articles Wikipedia is pretty accurate as there is no motivation for biases. But since this is a conversation about politics I don't think it's a credible source.



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25 Jan 2016, 9:37 pm

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I see what you're doing here and in other threads, you're trying to make us look like extremists for supporting "unregulated guns" when the status quo is the opposite of unregulated, and what we're opposing is expanding that regulation. It's a stupid game, and getting annoying.
the problem with that is that most weapons used by mass shooters are legally bought. you don't get to claim it's regulated when that kind of thing happens.