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27 Mar 2016, 8:14 pm

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I could probably make some $$$ selling t-shirts that say "my dog is better than your god."

How much are you charging? I'm interested...

I just put that out there, i'm not really an entrepreneurial type. but if I were, i'd do that straightaway, but be sure not to market it in the south or Midwest.



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27 Mar 2016, 8:31 pm

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why does it seem that anti-abortion/anti-birth control people value the life of the unborn over the life of the born? :scratch:


Not really my area, but I'd imagine it has something to do with the unborn being completely innocent.


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27 Mar 2016, 8:49 pm

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why does it seem that anti-abortion/anti-birth control people value the life of the unborn over the life of the born? :scratch:


Not really my area, but I'd imagine it has something to do with the unborn being completely innocent.

They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...



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27 Mar 2016, 8:53 pm

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I believe that people with an attraction to children should be accepted more. While I'm totally against raping kids, I really don't hating them is helpful for anyone. It makes it way harder for pedophiles who haven't done anything to get real help. I think they should be able to get help without worrying about going to jail.


I agree with you on this one, DK. I'd rather have paedophiles report to a clinic for behavioural therapy than cut off from the possibility of reform due to the fear of stigma, thereby increasing the likelihood of them committing a serious offence.



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27 Mar 2016, 8:59 pm

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I believe that people with an attraction to children should be accepted more. While I'm totally against raping kids, I really don't hating them is helpful for anyone. It makes it way harder for pedophiles who haven't done anything to get real help. I think they should be able to get help without worrying about going to jail.


I agree with you on this one, DK. I'd rather have paedophiles report to a clinic for behavioural therapy than cut off from the possibility of reform due to the fear of stigma, thereby increasing the likelihood of them committing a serious offence.

Another consideration is that the newest research suggests that pedophilia, like being gay, is simply the way you were born. Of course, we must protect children from abuse, but we should treat it like anything else we may not be able to control without help. I'm really glad I don't have to deal with this issue. Autism is more than enough...



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27 Mar 2016, 10:42 pm

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Oh boy. I don't know where to begin. I'm very right-wing and against political correctness. I see the far-leftist ideology as another form of Fascism and believe that trigger warnings baby people way too much. I support Ted Cruz for President, am staunchly pro-Israel, and see radical Islam as the biggest threat facing this world. I believe that the Iranian Government is the biggest Nazi Government since WWII. I strongly believe that Iran wants to resume where Hitler left off vis-a-vis the Jews [btw, I happen to be a religious Jew myself]. I also believe that the "Palestinians" don't have a legitimate claim to a state within Israel since a. it's on Jewish land and b.it'll be a terrorist state and history shows that it's existence results in there being a terrorist base in Israel and terrorism on Israel increasing. I strongly believe that Yehuda V'Shomron [Judea and Samaria] i.e. the so-called "West Bank" belongs to Israel. My political views are very politically incorrect and can be seen as "dangerous" by political correct leftists who have a similar mindset to Big Brother in George Orwell's marvelous book "Nineteen Eighty-four." Also, I'm against gay marriage, since I see marriage as between a man and a woman. I also oppose abortion [unless abortion is absolutely needed to save the mother's life as a result of the pregnancy directly threatening the mother] and see it as murder. As such, though I'm not a Christian [as shown by what I said above], I'm a religious Conservative with some Libertarian leanings.


You seem like a sound chap. I'd be happy to know you. I agree with you on most of that, although I'm not sure on abortion. I think people don't take enough responsibility.

Personally, I have conflicting opinions about Israel and the Arabs. I personally believe that Israel will always be at war with Arab supremacy, because of Islam.

And I wish people would stop calling it the West Bank. It's a term made up by the Arabs to deny Jewish history.

Do you read Elder of Ziyon? I think he's a fantastic blogger.

Glad to see someone with sense on this forum and in the world at large. Glad to be responding to one as well. Yes, I looked at the Elder of Ziyon and it is a fantastic blog that gets right to the point when it comes to what's happening in Israel. No doubt, there is still a supremacist strain within Islam that's dominant in the Arab and Muslim world. As long as that strain is dominant, there will be no peace between Israel and the Arab and Muslim world. As for the abortion issue, I was pragmatic for a while. But I believe that all human life comes from the basic right to live. As the US Declaration of Independence says, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." In other words, life comes first and in their heart and gut, the Founding Fathers knew that. In my view, all our rights come from G-d. All other rights descend from the right to live. Without the right of life, all other rights are meaningless. Since I see abortion as murder of another human being, that's what got me more against it. I just can't get myself to be more compromising on that issue. I know there are a lot of factors involved. But I don't believe that bodily autonomy comes before human life [and the question for those who use the bodily autonomy argument is, "What about the baby's bodily autonomy?"]. Modern science shows that fetuses can hear what happens out of the womb. Already in the womb, the baby learns to distinguish between the mother's voice and other voices. Babies in the womb can hear music. As such, unless the fetus directly threatens the life of the mother [i.e. the fetus is a rodef i.e. pursuer from the religious Jewish point of view], and abortion is what's needed to save the mother's life, I am opposed to abortion and see it as murder. And yes, men have just as much of a right to say that abortion is murder as they do to say that a woman [or a man] killing a five year old is murder. That's my view. Glad to see that we agree on most issues. And I agree with you on the term the "West Bank" as well. It was a name given by Jordan, which truly illegally occupied it then. Yehuda V Shomron [its proper name] belongs to Israel in my view. Anyway, Ted Cruz for PREZ!! !!



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28 Mar 2016, 2:11 am

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They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.


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28 Mar 2016, 4:27 am

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Don't mistake this thread as a place to post content that breaks PPR guidelines or WrongPlanet rules.

Racist, sexist, anti-homosexual or anti-transgender views may be unpopular, but that doesn't make posting them here ok.



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28 Mar 2016, 8:11 am

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I believe that people with an attraction to children should be accepted more. While I'm totally against raping kids, I really don't hating them is helpful for anyone. It makes it way harder for pedophiles who haven't done anything to get real help. I think they should be able to get help without worrying about going to jail.


I agree with you on this one, DK. I'd rather have paedophiles report to a clinic for behavioural therapy than cut off from the possibility of reform due to the fear of stigma, thereby increasing the likelihood of them committing a serious offence.

Another consideration is that the newest research suggests that pedophilia, like being gay, is simply the way you were born.


It doesn't matter whether sexual preferences are caused by nature or nurture (and yes, the jury is still out on this one) they're still not choices. For example, there is a correlation between being a victim of paedophilia and becoming a paedophile.

Anyone interested in a detailed study of the victim-victimiser cycle should check out http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482

[/quote]Of course, we must protect children from abuse, but we should treat it like anything else we may not be able to control without help. I'm really glad I don't have to deal with this issue. Autism is more than enough...[/quote]

Agreed 100% on every point. I imagine the combination would be near-crippling.



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28 Mar 2016, 9:34 am

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Agreed 100% on every point. I imagine the combination would be near-crippling.


What tends to annoy me is that attraction to children is such a huge taboo that it prevents people with these feelings from seeking professional help BEFORE they act on their desires and hurt a child.


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28 Mar 2016, 9:35 am

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What tends to annoy me is that attraction to children is such a huge taboo that it prevents people with these feelings from seeking professional help BEFORE they act on their desires and hurt a child.


They can't even do it anonymously, such is the risk of being found out.



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28 Mar 2016, 9:41 am

A worldwide Islamic caliphate may be beneficial, at least for a while.



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28 Mar 2016, 10:11 am

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They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.



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28 Mar 2016, 12:53 pm

I think popular music is in an artistic slump at the moment because real art leverages the intellect and some of the people in charge of which things become popular don't want that.



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28 Mar 2016, 1:03 pm

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They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.


You've stated yourself the reason they'll never be persuaded to do that. If someone goes about merrily slaughtering people they meet on the street with a cleaver, with a clear conscience because they see nothing wrong with it, will you accept that you can't force your belief that it's wrong on them and have to let them live as they think they should, true to their belief system?


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28 Mar 2016, 1:05 pm

pcuser wrote:
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They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec