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21 Sep 2016, 1:04 am

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It can be applied to these things towards any person for whatever reason.

then that's just run-of-the-mill passive-aggressiveness. it's a horrible thing, and i'm very familiar with it myself (especially from my family). but i don't think the addition of a buzzword for it makes the discussion any better, and buzzwords make me automatically suspicious


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21 Sep 2016, 1:09 am

Here is another example. In this case, the discrimination was overt but microaggressions followed.

I once signed up to be on a sports team. This was advertised as a co-ed team, and was not a sport that required much in the way of physical conditioning. However the team captain explicitly stated that he did not want a girl on his team, but he didn't make the rules so he was stuck with me.

Because he did not want me on the team, he put me in the worst position he could think of, and kept me there, while letting the other players rotate positions. He also tried to kick me off the team without warning. The league had not received a check my mother had sent, however, instead of calling and informing her that her payment wasn't received, he waited until I showed up for a game to tell me he had kicked me off the team for lack of payment. Of course this did not sit right with the league owner, who promptly put me back on the team.

At the time, I had felt I was being treated poorly, and this had caused me some depression, but I did not realize until later that I had been treated poorly because I was female and he did not want a girl on his team, as my mother only revealed that bit of information to me later.



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21 Sep 2016, 1:11 am

so... run-of-the-mill passive-agressiveness


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21 Sep 2016, 1:18 am

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so... run-of-the-mill passive-agressiveness


It's probably a subject that can be debated. I'm not involved with the realms which coin these terms.



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21 Sep 2016, 2:22 am

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so... run-of-the-mill passive-agressiveness


Sadly no. I've seen all kinds of nonsense described as "microaggression", including wearing the wrong shirt or arranging your holidays around Christmas.

Microaggression: the justification manufactured to blame someone else for one's own negative feelings.

The existence of this word is a normal-sized aggression against reason.



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21 Sep 2016, 2:35 am

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anagram wrote:
so... run-of-the-mill passive-agressiveness


Sadly no. I've seen all kinds of nonsense described as "microaggression", including wearing the wrong shirt or arranging your holidays around Christmas.

Microaggression: the justification manufactured to blame someone else for one's own negative feelings.

The existence of this word is a normal-sized aggression against reason.


Here is a story. My sister once threw a pair of boots in my face. Now, I most certainly felt boots fly into my face with great force, and it did hurt.

Was it an act of aggression?

Here are the options.

1. I assume it was based on context/past experiences with my sister.
2. I assume it wasn't, based on context/past experiences with my sister.
3. My sister says it wasn't, and I believe her, based on context/past experiences with my sister.
4. My sister says it wasn't, and I don't believe her, context/past experiences with my sister.
5. My sister says it was.

In this particular instance, my sister said it wasn't, and I believed her, because of the context of the fact that I had happened to come around a corner at the moment my sister had let go of the boots as she threw them down the hallway, and she had no prior knowledge that I had been walking down the hallway, and was obviously attempting to throw them in to her room.

But what if I were walking around town and different people kept throwing boots in my face? People I had never met, and they all say it was an accident, yet it never happens to anyone else....except for the one other person who shares in common with me that which we have in common with no one else in town.

That would be awfully suspicious.



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21 Sep 2016, 2:51 am

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But what if I were walking around town and different people kept throwing boots in my face? People I had never met, and they all say it was an accident, yet it never happens to anyone else....except for the one other person who shares in common with me that which we have in common with no one else in town.


What point are you trying to make? At no point have I seen anything described as a microaggression that comes anywhere near having boots thrown in your face. Rather, I see things described as microaggression that are, in fact, irrational responses to mundane everyday conversation.

An example of this is to be found in a simple question that is a staple part of the social game known as "getting to know you". It goes like this:

Person A- Where are you from?
Average Respondent- I was born and raised in <insert city>.

Person A- Where are you from?
Hypersensitive Snowflake- HOW DARE YOU!

Unbeknownst to Person A, Hypersensitive Snowflake automatically transmogrifies the innocent question into "You don't look (e.g) American, what are you doing in my country?" because, well, the clue is in the name.



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21 Sep 2016, 3:32 am

I'm from NYC :wink: :lol:



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21 Sep 2016, 3:35 am

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I'm from NYC :wink: :lol:

you're implying that you're better than me because you're from a wealthy city in north america. you need to show more respect for your fellow humans from poorer countries

i think i got the gist of "microaggressions" now :lol:


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21 Sep 2016, 5:49 am

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I'm from NYC :wink: :lol:

you're implying that you're better than me because you're from a wealthy city in north america. you need to show more respect for your fellow humans from poorer countries

i think i got the gist of "microaggressions" now :lol:


Exactly!



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21 Sep 2016, 7:58 am

That reaction is the reaction of a "hypersensitive snowflake."

I would tell that person, immediately, to "get a life!"



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21 Sep 2016, 8:44 am

And they would tell you that's extremely offensive to the circulatorily impared, and call you a necrophobe. Also that your biocentric wordview is problematic, and need to be re-educated out of you.


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21 Sep 2016, 10:39 am

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And they would tell you that's extremely offensive to the circulatorily impared, and call you a necrophobe. Also that your biocentric wordview is problematic, and need to be re-educated out of you.


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21 Sep 2016, 9:32 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Chronos wrote:
But what if I were walking around town and different people kept throwing boots in my face? People I had never met, and they all say it was an accident, yet it never happens to anyone else....except for the one other person who shares in common with me that which we have in common with no one else in town.


What point are you trying to make? At no point have I seen anything described as a microaggression that comes anywhere near having boots thrown in your face. Rather, I see things described as microaggression that are, in fact, irrational responses to mundane everyday conversation.

An example of this is to be found in a simple question that is a staple part of the social game known as "getting to know you". It goes like this:

Person A- Where are you from?
Average Respondent- I was born and raised in <insert city>.

Person A- Where are you from?
Hypersensitive Snowflake- HOW DARE YOU!

Unbeknownst to Person A, Hypersensitive Snowflake automatically transmogrifies the innocent question into "You don't look (e.g) American, what are you doing in my country?" because, well, the clue is in the name.


My point is, you don't have the benefit of context of another person's experience, and though they may judge a situation wrongly, due to not having the benefit of true knowledge of the other person's intentions, they are still in a better place to determine if what they experienced was a form of aggression or not, than someone who neither has the benefit of experience or of being a first hand witness to the situation.

Additionally, if someone takes offense to being asked where they are from because they think the other person is implying they are a foreigner and somehow that is a bad thing, you should ask what experiences the person might have had in the past to lead them to come to that conclusion.



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21 Sep 2016, 9:35 pm

People are naturally curious.

I don't mind it when people ask me "where I'm from."

If we take away that curiosity, we take away the beauty of life.



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21 Sep 2016, 9:51 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
People are naturally curious.

I don't mind it when people ask me "where I'm from."

If we take away that curiosity, we take away the beauty of life.


Neither do I, and Americans like to ask this question. But remember, different people, different paths, different experiences in life.