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27 May 2019, 7:11 pm

People need to have some sort of center of focus if they want to bring about change.



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27 May 2019, 7:13 pm

I don't generalise. All genders can be victimised. All genders can perpetrate. All genders are protected equally under the Constitution / criminal codes of the western world in the event of employment law, domestic assault, and sex crimes.

Feminism was required in generations where women could not vote, have a legal voice, or be afforded equal opportunities for education and employment. Thanks to the valiant efforts of men and women before us, all genders are now equal under western law.

I am not ignorant. I am not a bigot. I am a liberal. I identity as an "egalitarian" or, in the event that justice is misapplied against any individual in any situation, I would consider myself a "victims' rights advocate". It serves no purpose to call myself a "feminist" because the word is misleading and presumptuous in favour of women. The term implies that I am disadvantaged by my gender, or that I am inherently less than a man. I don't need extra stepping stones to reach equality, because I already have that protection under the law.

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27 May 2019, 7:17 pm

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Trump conservatives getting police protection :?


Everyone gets protection from personal atracks.

And it's been my personal experience that liberals tend to resort to personal attacks frequently.


Left-leaning individuals tend to be more hot-headed, in my experience.
Offering them a nice hot tea seems to calm them down. 8)

Sly, you are letting the conservative team down.
Stay frosty, man. :mrgreen:

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I don't generalise. All genders can be victimised. All genders can perpetrate. All genders are protected equally under the Constitution / criminal codes of the western world in the event of employment law, domestic assault, and sex crimes.

Feminism was required in generations where women could not vote, have a legal voice, or be afforded equal opportunities for education and employment. Thanks to the valiant efforts of men and women before us, all genders are now equal under western law.

I am not ignorant. I am not a bigot. I am a liberal. I identity as an "egalitarian" or, in the event that justice is misapplied against any individual in any situation, I would consider myself a "victims' rights advocate". It serves no purpose to call myself a "feminist" because the word is misleading and presumptuous in favour of women. The term implies that I am disadvantaged by my gender, or that I am inherently less than a man. I don't need extra stepping stones to reach equality, because I already have that protection under the law.

Thanks.


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I'd vote for you to be president of the world. :wink:



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27 May 2019, 7:18 pm

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We ALL should have equal rights. It shouldn’t BE a feminist or MGTOW position.


Feminists do and have done very important and necessary things. I’m not sure why this is so offensive to people on here.

There is still not an equal playing field.


What would have to happen to make you consider the playing field even?


Violence towards women would need to be reduced so it’s not greater than violence towards men (although reducing both would be great), religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen), reasonable abortion rights, and decreasing the wage gap (which would include greater pay for jobs in the social services field).

That’s a sampling.



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27 May 2019, 7:20 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I don't generalise. All genders can be victimised. All genders can perpetrate. All genders are protected equally under the Constitution / criminal codes of the western world in the event of employment law, domestic assault, and sex crimes.

Feminism was required in generations where women could not vote, have a legal voice, or be afforded equal opportunities for education and employment. Thanks to the valiant efforts of men and women before us, all genders are now equal under western law.

I am not ignorant. I am not a bigot. I am a liberal. I identity as an "egalitarian" or, in the event that justice is misapplied against any individual in any situation, I would consider myself a "victims' rights advocate". It serves no purpose to call myself a "feminist" because the word is misleading and presumptuous in favour of women. The term implies that I am disadvantaged by my gender, or that I am inherently less than a man. I don't need extra stepping stones to reach equality, because I already have that protection under the law.

Thanks.


I have been disadvantaged by my gender. That doesn’t mean that I’m inherently less than a man. It’s just stating a fact.

Being aware of this reality could help me help others who have been in my situation.



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27 May 2019, 7:28 pm

In contrast, I have been hurt and traumatised by women. Being aware of this can help others who have been in my situation.

All victims deserve justice regardless of their gender, and regardless of who committed the crime. This is why I advocate for victims' rights. I don't generalise by gender because every case of discrimination or abuse is unique.


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27 May 2019, 7:34 pm

My experiences are very specific. From the time that I was a little girl until adulthood, I was told over and over again that women need to be submissive to their husbands, that they aren’t to get out of abusive marriages, and that they can’t teach men. Women were second class citizens 100%, and I was taught to believe that that was “the Truth.”

When you hear these things over and over again throughout your life, it skews your thinking and leads to very specific challenges for women. My brother who has left had a completely different experience than I did. It’s been fascinating getting to know other women who left because our experiences are so similar.

I really need to get involved with some advocacy because fundamentalist cults pose a big problem, especially when people choose to leave.

I truly believe that there are issues specific for women that need to be addressed.



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27 May 2019, 7:37 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

Violence towards women would need to be reduced so it’s not greater than violence towards men (although reducing both would be great),


Done. Men make up 77.6% of homicide victims, and are about even with women when it comes to a non-homicide violent crime: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf


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religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen),


Legally in the U.S. the government has no authority over religious institutions provided they aren't performing human sacrifices or other grave offenses. No one is required to belong to a religious institution.

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reasonable abortion rights,


Reasonable minds can disagree on what abortion rights should be as I've discussed at length before. In the majority of the U.S. abortion is legal upto at least 20 weeks of pregnancy and all stricter laws have been struck down by superior courts.

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and decreasing the wage gap (which would include greater pay for jobs in the social services field).


Hard no. Economic value is determined by market forces and interfering with those decreases quality of life for everyone. If women want to be paid the same as men they should work the same jobs of men, for the same hours as men, and take the same amount of time off for having children as men. When those factors are even so will wages.


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27 May 2019, 7:38 pm

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In contrast, I have been hurt and traumatised by women. Being aware of this can help others who have been in my situation.

All victims deserve justice regardless of their gender, and regardless of who committed the crime. This is why I advocate for victims' rights. I don't generalise by gender because every case of discrimination or abuse is unique.


But it’s impossible for an individual to advocate for ALL victims, unfortunately.

That’s why I think it’s beneficial for one to use their specific experiences and/or interests as a starting point.



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27 May 2019, 7:41 pm

Antrax wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:

Violence towards women would need to be reduced so it’s not greater than violence towards men (although reducing both would be great),


Done. Men make up 77.6% of homicide victims, and are about even with women when it comes to a non-homicide violent crime: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf


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religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen),


Legally in the U.S. the government has no authority over religious institutions provided they aren't performing human sacrifices or other grave offenses. No one is required to belong to a religious institution.

Twilightprincess wrote:
reasonable abortion rights,


Reasonable minds can disagree on what abortion rights should be as I've discussed at length before. In the majority of the U.S. abortion is legal upto at least 20 weeks of pregnancy and all stricter laws have been struck down by superior courts.

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and decreasing the wage gap (which would include greater pay for jobs in the social services field).


Hard no. Economic value is determined by market forces and interfering with those decreases quality of life for everyone. If women want to be paid the same as men they should work the same jobs of men, for the same hours as men, and take the same amount of time off for having children as men. When those factors are even so will wages.


https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics



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27 May 2019, 7:43 pm

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All victims deserve justice regardless of their gender, and regardless of who committed the crime. This is why I advocate for victims' rights. I don't generalise by gender because every case of discrimination or abuse is unique.


I repeat. All victims deserve justice, and justice is afforded to everyone under the law. If it isn't, you fight that specific case. There are thousands of men and boys who were victimised within the confines of their religion, just as you were.

Sadly, crime is an equal opportunity situation.

Luckily, the law protects all victims equally.


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27 May 2019, 7:45 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen),


And misandry needs to be eliminated too, though that won't be happening any time soon either. 8O

Twilightprincess wrote:
Antrax wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:

Violence towards women would need to be reduced so it’s not greater than violence towards men (although reducing both would be great),


Done. Men make up 77.6% of homicide victims, and are about even with women when it comes to a non-homicide violent crime: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf


Twilightprincess wrote:

religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen),


Legally in the U.S. the government has no authority over religious institutions provided they aren't performing human sacrifices or other grave offenses. No one is required to belong to a religious institution.

Twilightprincess wrote:
reasonable abortion rights,


Reasonable minds can disagree on what abortion rights should be as I've discussed at length before. In the majority of the U.S. abortion is legal upto at least 20 weeks of pregnancy and all stricter laws have been struck down by superior courts.

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and decreasing the wage gap (which would include greater pay for jobs in the social services field).


Hard no. Economic value is determined by market forces and interfering with those decreases quality of life for everyone. If women want to be paid the same as men they should work the same jobs of men, for the same hours as men, and take the same amount of time off for having children as men. When those factors are even so will wages.


https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics


Touché :!: :mrgreen:



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27 May 2019, 7:47 pm

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Family court favours whoever has more money. It's not about gender.

In the USA courts favor women in just about everything it especially custody of children, child pren need the mother they Say, men can’t be Nurturing And caring for kids in a way that only a mother can. They’ve sided with women who then tske the kids to Italy and put them up for adoption just so the dad can’t have them.

In general women doing the same crime get lessor time, fines and punishment then men. Us court system favors women. Women’s prisons are better then men’s too.


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27 May 2019, 7:48 pm

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All victims deserve justice regardless of their gender, and regardless of who committed the crime. This is why I advocate for victims' rights. I don't generalise by gender because every case of discrimination or abuse is unique.


I repeat. All victims deserve justice, and justice is afforded to everyone under the law. If it isn't, you fight that specific case. There are thousands of men and boys who were victimised within the confines of their religion, just as you were.

Sadly, crime is an equal opportunity situation.

Luckily, the law protects all victims equally.


I never claimed that the law shouldn’t protect all victims!

Whether we like it or not, there is a disparity when it comes to victimization. Ignoring it won’t make it go away.

Fundamentalist cults that are Bible-based and so prevalent in the US are almost always misogynistic because they take abhorrent Bible passages literally.



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27 May 2019, 7:50 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Antrax wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:

Violence towards women would need to be reduced so it’s not greater than violence towards men (although reducing both would be great),


Done. Men make up 77.6% of homicide victims, and are about even with women when it comes to a non-homicide violent crime: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf


Twilightprincess wrote:

religious sexism and misogyny would need to be eliminated (that’s never going to happen),


Legally in the U.S. the government has no authority over religious institutions provided they aren't performing human sacrifices or other grave offenses. No one is required to belong to a religious institution.

Twilightprincess wrote:
reasonable abortion rights,


Reasonable minds can disagree on what abortion rights should be as I've discussed at length before. In the majority of the U.S. abortion is legal upto at least 20 weeks of pregnancy and all stricter laws have been struck down by superior courts.

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and decreasing the wage gap (which would include greater pay for jobs in the social services field).


Hard no. Economic value is determined by market forces and interfering with those decreases quality of life for everyone. If women want to be paid the same as men they should work the same jobs of men, for the same hours as men, and take the same amount of time off for having children as men. When those factors are even so will wages.


https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics


Your original post said violence not sexual violence. Women are no more likely to be violently attacked than men, and far less likely to be killed. They are more likely to be raped or experience a sexual assault.


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27 May 2019, 8:05 pm

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I don't generalise. All genders can be victimised. All genders can perpetrate. All genders are protected equally under the Constitution / criminal codes of the western world in the event of employment law, domestic assault, and sex crimes.

Feminism was required in generations where women could not vote, have a legal voice, or be afforded equal opportunities for education and employment. Thanks to the valiant efforts of men and women before us, all genders are now equal under western law.

I am not ignorant. I am not a bigot. I am a liberal. I identity as an "egalitarian" or, in the event that justice is misapplied against any individual in any situation, I would consider myself a "victims' rights advocate". It serves no purpose to call myself a "feminist" because the word is misleading and presumptuous in favour of women. The term implies that I am disadvantaged by my gender, or that I am inherently less than a man. I don't need extra stepping stones to reach equality, because I already have that protection under the law.

Thanks.


What a woman! <sigh>
I'd vote for you to be president of the world. :wink:


I second your hearty endorsement.