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23 Nov 2020, 2:58 pm

Exactly, don't line up to defend hypothetical law-abiding nazis when the real ones are such a pain in the a$$.

I find you an embarrassment to my country when you do that.

That doesn't make you one of them, it might give you a major case of Trump Derangement Syndrome for all anyone knows though. :lol:

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23 Nov 2020, 2:59 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

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Actually you're just misled. You didn't do any research whatsoever & you're presenting it as a political science dissertation.

Do you think that's going to undo you calling me a Nazi?

Sticks & stones my friend.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:02 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

cberg wrote:

You can't "research" a made up slur that someone called a medical condition.

You are expressing distinctly cultist alt-right deny/counteraccuse behavior & citing your own "research".

Research is to be cited as a legitimate study, not what your choice of sites told you.

Thanks. That's such a quintessential example of what little it takes to be called a nazi here.

Because I Googled "Obama dictator" and "Obama cult" and mentioned I saw a lot of hits on those searches, that means I'm an "alt-right cultist" ie Nazi.

Noooooo...

You can google ANY term, and google will kindly find whatever it can regarding that topic, even if it's fake, fraudulent, or otherwise propaganda.

I already said that it was propaganda. That was the whole point. That propaganda from past administrations is just being recycled.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:03 pm

Clearly if you were one, you would not find the term insulting. You are however pandering to a deposed president who insists there are fine people on both sides, who is indeed full of s**t.

I'm calling you a follower. Other posters here are setting an example of not venerating war crimes.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:13 pm

cberg wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

cberg wrote:

Actually you're just misled. You didn't do any research whatsoever & you're presenting it as a political science dissertation.

Do you think that's going to undo you calling me a Nazi?

Sticks & stones my friend.

You proved my point that the "certain posters" team will come up with anything they can dream up to call someone a nazi et al.

The only thing left unsettled is why they have been given so much impunity for so long. Especially at the cost of this place having lost so many good members who left in disgust over seeing it happen so much.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:16 pm

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For that matter most accusations of racism do get explained unless it's something that's been pointed out and explained repeatedly in the past. This is an accusation that a few posters like to make over and over again but it's largely not true in practice even if it gets defended in theory. Further, posters who might ask naively insensitive questions tend to be given the benefit of the doubt when they seem genuinely interested in learning.

I definitely would not jump to someone being racist if they ask a racist question. eg. "if black people are more victims of a police shooting, why do statistics show it's more whites that get shot by them?"

I would give them the benefit of the doubt and they are asking out of good faith than trying to do a "gotcha" I am right" and argue with anyone who responds.

I would agree that your behaviour has always reflected that attitude.

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Alt-right isn't a synonym for Nazi.

Cultist might be a bit harsh, but you can't complain about overuse of the term Nazi when you're the one trying to conflate other terms to mean Nazi. Other people aren't using these terms as interchangeable for Nazi, you're just unfairly insisting they are. This complaint then gets used to try to eliminate any term that refers to the current crop of populist, reactionary nationalists because people sympathetic to that ideology insist that any term used to refer to them means Nazi.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:18 pm

The implication is obvious. And what was just done can't be undone. I have been proven right about what I have been saying.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:23 pm

I'm sorry that's how you feel.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:25 pm

I feel quite satisfied in having my complaint proven to be true.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:39 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

I feel quite satisfied in having my complaint proven to be true.

Except it wasn't. Claiming you proved it isn't the same as proving it.

Reducing the snark and the twisting of people's words would do a great deal to reduce the level of toxicity in this place, but since everyone who engages in it (myself included) feels justified when they're doing it it seems unfair to request any individual party stop. Everyone here can make more of an effort to temper those attitudes though.

Having been bullied on here before by a poster deliberately twisting my words in order to demand my removal I can't have much sympathy for your behaviour here, you're in the wrong by misrepresenting what cberg said.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:47 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

cberg wrote:

Only if you deliberately choose to change the words "expressing distinctly cultist alt-right deny / counteraccuse behaviour" to "You are a Nazi". Nobody said that, you jumped to make the link. The "expressing distinctly..." bit is another way of saying "You appear to be saying X. Are you sure?". It's a warning shot in debating terms, but you've turned it into an absolute judgement and then further extrapolated "=Nazi" from it. And then acted all butt-hurt.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:52 pm

"You are expressing distinctly cultist alt-right deny/counteraccuse behavior".

Which is pretty much what I would expect any of the "certain posters" team to come up with. Especially since I've seen it happen on numerous occasions.

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23 Nov 2020, 3:54 pm

Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?

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23 Nov 2020, 3:55 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Yes, and it's open-ended. It gives you a chance to clarify.

What it DOESN'T say, despite your claims, is "You are a Nazi".

But you've chosen to assume it does?

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23 Nov 2020, 4:00 pm

Gag me with a spoon, dilluting the meaning of a word referring to homicidal zealots is free thinking?

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23 Nov 2020, 4:01 pm

magz wrote:

Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?

Depends whether it's for legitimate reasons (i.e. they post things which are outright nasty / dangerous), or you've just targeted them for the sake of it, with no real justification.

But then most people in the first group ultimately get themselves banned, don't they? All you need to do is report their posts, if they're really that terrible.

Forcing people out isn't the same, that can happen over more minor things and the Mods won't necessarily know.

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