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19 Feb 2021, 9:35 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
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As I keep on saying: Politics. :roll:

It happens on both sides of the political divide.
Some simply refuse to acknowledge it. :shrug:
Is your response to any political discussions here always going to be: :shrug:
We also know you keep on saying "Politics :roll: " because you keep on reminding us.


Well, when you don't have an argument, fall back on moral equivalency...


For the record:
Are you saying the Democrats have never played politics?



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19 Feb 2021, 9:37 pm

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It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


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19 Feb 2021, 9:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?



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19 Feb 2021, 9:50 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?


The Antebellum period (Pre-Civil War) up to the mid-late twentieth century. By the end, conservative southern Democrats were switching to the Republican party, first with opposition to the civil rights support given by the national Democratic party, then with coaxing by Nixon and later by Reagan to switch parties.


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19 Feb 2021, 10:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?


The Antebellum period (Pre-Civil War) up to the mid-late twentieth century. By the end, conservative southern Democrats were switching to the Republican party, first with opposition to the civil rights support given by the national Democratic party, then with coaxing by Nixon and later by Reagan to switch parties.


Was watching a William Gates Jr documentary on the civil war (from the African American historical perspective). Gates (a Harvard professor) said the exact moment the republicans betrayed African Americans was a backroom deal involving the collusion of president Andrew Jackson (Lincoln's successor) and members of the republican party to i) reverse land allocations to southern blacks who were promised 40 acres and a mule by the union (as restitution for 300 years of tilling the land as slaves) forcing them to be reliant again on white farmers who basically re-introduced slavery in the south which remained till the 1960s in the form of sharecropping and secondly ii) the withdrawal of union troops who were supposed to remain until reconstruction was completed. White confederates soldiers, white southern police took over policing black towns and the Klan began their reign of terror and lynchings mainly scare blacks to not vote and finally iii) the republicans agreed to pass a democrat proposal to introduce a literacy test for blacks which disenfranchised most illiterate blacks from voting.

Lincoln was the first and last republican who the African Americans could consider a friend. That's why I said "once upon a time" as it's literarily in the far distant past.



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19 Feb 2021, 10:31 pm

Wasn't Hillary playing politics?



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19 Feb 2021, 10:36 pm

Pepe wrote:
Wasn't Hillary playing politics?


We've done the "but what about Hillary" thing to death Peps...



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19 Feb 2021, 11:03 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?


The Antebellum period (Pre-Civil War) up to the mid-late twentieth century. By the end, conservative southern Democrats were switching to the Republican party, first with opposition to the civil rights support given by the national Democratic party, then with coaxing by Nixon and later by Reagan to switch parties.


Was watching a William Gates Jr documentary on the civil war (from the African American historical perspective). Gates (a Harvard professor) said the exact moment the republicans betrayed African Americans was a backroom deal involving the collusion of president Andrew Jackson (Lincoln's successor) and members of the republican party to i) reverse land allocations to southern blacks who were promised 40 acres and a mule by the union (as restitution for 300 years of tilling the land as slaves) forcing them to be reliant again on white farmers who basically re-introduced slavery in the south which remained till the 1960s in the form of sharecropping and secondly ii) the withdrawal of union troops who were supposed to remain until reconstruction was completed. White confederates soldiers, white southern police took over policing black towns and the Klan began their reign of terror and lynchings mainly scare blacks to not vote and finally iii) the republicans agreed to pass a democrat proposal to introduce a literacy test for blacks which disenfranchised most illiterate blacks from voting.

Lincoln was the first and last republican who the African Americans could consider a friend. That's why I said "once upon a time" as it's literarily in the far distant past.


That President had actually been Andrew Johnson, but everything else is sound history.


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20 Feb 2021, 12:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?


The Antebellum period (Pre-Civil War) up to the mid-late twentieth century. By the end, conservative southern Democrats were switching to the Republican party, first with opposition to the civil rights support given by the national Democratic party, then with coaxing by Nixon and later by Reagan to switch parties.


Was watching a William Gates Jr documentary on the civil war (from the African American historical perspective). Gates (a Harvard professor) said the exact moment the republicans betrayed African Americans was a backroom deal involving the collusion of president Andrew Jackson (Lincoln's successor) and members of the republican party to i) reverse land allocations to southern blacks who were promised 40 acres and a mule by the union (as restitution for 300 years of tilling the land as slaves) forcing them to be reliant again on white farmers who basically re-introduced slavery in the south which remained till the 1960s in the form of sharecropping and secondly ii) the withdrawal of union troops who were supposed to remain until reconstruction was completed. White confederates soldiers, white southern police took over policing black towns and the Klan began their reign of terror and lynchings mainly scare blacks to not vote and finally iii) the republicans agreed to pass a democrat proposal to introduce a literacy test for blacks which disenfranchised most illiterate blacks from voting.

Lincoln was the first and last republican who the African Americans could consider a friend. That's why I said "once upon a time" as it's literarily in the far distant past.


That President had actually been Andrew Johnson, but everything else is sound history.


Sorry yes! Andrew Jackson/Andrew Johnson are filed in the same neuron where I file American presidents :lol:



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20 Feb 2021, 1:27 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Wasn't Hillary playing politics?


We've done the "but what about Hillary" thing to death Peps...


For Jiheisho sake, do you agree that Hillary was playing politics with the election?

I have the impression he thinks "politics" is only played on one side of the political divide.



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20 Feb 2021, 1:51 am

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Wasn't Hillary playing politics?


We've done the "but what about Hillary" thing to death Peps...


For Jiheisho sake, do you agree that Hillary was playing politics with the election?

I have the impression he thinks "politics" is only played on one side of the political divide.


Do you mean the 2020 or 2016 election?



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20 Feb 2021, 1:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Wasn't Hillary playing politics?


We've done the "but what about Hillary" thing to death Peps...


For Jiheisho sake, do you agree that Hillary was playing politics with the election?

I have the impression he thinks "politics" is only played on one side of the political divide.


Do you mean the 2020 or 2016 election?


Does it matter?
I think she has played politics more than once. lol

Surely, you don't agree with Jiheisho that political nonsense only comes from the right.
Surely.

Could you answer the question?
It isn't hard. ;)



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20 Feb 2021, 2:02 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
It's also interesting how the parties have transformed. The republicans used to be the good guys once upon a time.


So, you are saying the Democrats were the bad guys, at one time.
Why do you think that?
Serious question, anyone?

Why do you think there are so many evil people in America, now?


Conservative southern Democrats certainly had been.


Thanks for that.
What time period are you talking about?


The Antebellum period (Pre-Civil War) up to the mid-late twentieth century. By the end, conservative southern Democrats were switching to the Republican party, first with opposition to the civil rights support given by the national Democratic party, then with coaxing by Nixon and later by Reagan to switch parties.


Was watching a William Gates Jr documentary on the civil war (from the African American historical perspective). Gates (a Harvard professor) said the exact moment the republicans betrayed African Americans was a backroom deal involving the collusion of president Andrew Jackson (Lincoln's successor) and members of the republican party to i) reverse land allocations to southern blacks who were promised 40 acres and a mule by the union (as restitution for 300 years of tilling the land as slaves) forcing them to be reliant again on white farmers who basically re-introduced slavery in the south which remained till the 1960s in the form of sharecropping and secondly ii) the withdrawal of union troops who were supposed to remain until reconstruction was completed. White confederates soldiers, white southern police took over policing black towns and the Klan began their reign of terror and lynchings mainly scare blacks to not vote and finally iii) the republicans agreed to pass a democrat proposal to introduce a literacy test for blacks which disenfranchised most illiterate blacks from voting.

Lincoln was the first and last republican who the African Americans could consider a friend. That's why I said "once upon a time" as it's literarily in the far distant past.


That President had actually been Andrew Johnson, but everything else is sound history.


Sorry yes! Andrew Jackson/Andrew Johnson are filed in the same neuron where I file American presidents :lol:


8) 8) 8)


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20 Feb 2021, 8:04 am

Pepe wrote:
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Well, when you don't have an argument, fall back on moral equivalency...
For the record:
Are you saying the Democrats have never played politics?
Let's hear what you actually think about this stuff, and less about attempting to cast each side as equivalent - when they're clearly not.
It's axiomatic that both sides have faults and neither is perfect - but that's not the topic.

You have between your ears the product of millions of years' evolution, and one of the most significant tools created by man at your fingertips - yet you appear to choose to use neither? :?


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20 Feb 2021, 1:59 pm

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Just saying ... maybe this thread has run its course and/or served its purpose ... ?



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20 Feb 2021, 2:26 pm

Pepe wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
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Pepe wrote:
As I keep on saying: Politics. :roll:

It happens on both sides of the political divide.
Some simply refuse to acknowledge it. :shrug:
Is your response to any political discussions here always going to be: :shrug:
We also know you keep on saying "Politics :roll: " because you keep on reminding us.


Well, when you don't have an argument, fall back on moral equivalency...


For the record:
Are you saying the Democrats have never played politics?


Wow, what a disingenuous argument. "Playing politics" is just a red herring. Sure, you can draw the Venn diagram to contain every possible instance, but that does not mean those instances are equivalent.

When you mean politics, do you mean policies with supporting evidence or policies supported by opinion? Or do you mean politics based simply in raw power.