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16 Aug 2007, 4:49 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

What if a man's wife is partially mentally incapacitated, and no one but her husband can tell that she's horny and volitionally asking for some love? Like, through a mutual hand signal they've worked out between each other? Would his acquiescing to her sexual demands be "raping" her, since she can't legally express her consent?

Answer: No.

She wouldn't be able to marry him then if she hadn't already. THAT is the point. And if she's not going to push out a mini-Fagtime 9 months later, the good Christian perverts shouldn't even be screwing.

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16 Aug 2007, 4:49 pm

Sopho wrote:

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I would like to be better informed.

That'll never happen.

Not as long as you keep feeding me disinformation.

Such as?

Don't be offended at this, but I don't trust every personal anecdote you write.

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16 Aug 2007, 4:51 pm

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Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.

Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

C - O - N - S - E - N - T

T - O - L - E - R - A - N - C - E will win out. The pedophiles and bestials will win.

This is the same BS that antigay groups are saying, so this is not new,
Seems that they don't really understand the word of Consent, or they ignore it or try get around it on their arguments, it is pretty obvious and crystal clear why the reason for allowing gay relationships is not harmful, while animal sex and pedophilia it is.

There is a HUGE difference in relationships between two adults then one adult and one child or one animal. It is obvious that a 10 yo cannot consent and it will take their childhood and freedom away, what if they happen to have a child being child themselves. It's curious that was allowed in your biblical days. It seems that God didn't have any objection about middle age men marrying 12 year old girls, and they having no choice than to accept their fate. How come that was not abomination?

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16 Aug 2007, 4:52 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

Or more commonly, are you saying, Sopho, that male dogs that hump your leg without any provocation aren't consenting?

They can f**k you (in fact, I encourage them to do so), but you can't f**k them. And they can't sign a legal contract.

Oh, I see, you've been playing semantics all this time! The way I see it, if Lifeform A f***s Lifeform B, and it's volitional both ways, then by definition Lifeform B is ALSO f*****g Lifeform A. The two are f*****g each other. It's not a one-way thing.

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16 Aug 2007, 4:52 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

I would like to be better informed.

That'll never happen.

Not as long as you keep feeding me disinformation.

Such as?

Don't be offended at this, but I don't trust every personal anecdote you write.

LOL Why would that offend me.
And I have never once lied in a serious discussion on here. At least, not that I remember. Definitely not about my sexuality/gender anyway. And I highly doubt I've lied about anything else either, apart from some of my stupid posts.

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16 Aug 2007, 4:54 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

She wouldn't be able to marry him then if she hadn't already. THAT is the point.

I meant if she becomes mentally incapacitated to the degree I mentioned after the wedding, but can still signal to her husband she's ready and willing. Does a committee of legal experts need to watch her signal?

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16 Aug 2007, 4:55 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

Or more commonly, are you saying, Sopho, that male dogs that hump your leg without any provocation aren't consenting?

They can f**k you (in fact, I encourage them to do so), but you can't f**k them. And they can't sign a legal contract.

Oh, I see, you've been playing semantics all this time! They way I see it, if Lifeform A f**** Lifeform B, and it's volitional both ways, then by definition Lifeform B is ALSO f***ing Lifeform A. The two are f***ing each other. It's not a one-way thing.

You know what I mean. The donkey can f**k you up the ass all night, for all I care. But you shouldn't rape the donkey.

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16 Aug 2007, 4:56 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

She wouldn't be able to marry him then if she hadn't already. THAT is the point.

I don't know enough about this. If it's clear that she consents to being f*cked, then OK. If not, then no.

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16 Aug 2007, 5:10 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

Ever heard of the term Statutory Rape?

There are men that would take advantage of a woman like that, so any claim of sexual activity with an adult girl who is partially mentally capacitated must be proven, if she actually wasn't mentally capable of consenting or not, depending how severe is her mental condition to legally say that it was a sexual aggresion. I suppose it must be like that, I don't know how that works actually, but I'm trying to use some common sense here.

Probably a woman like that can get married, ONLY if she is considered by law of being capable of consenting a sexual relationship.

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16 Aug 2007, 5:12 pm

greenblue wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

Ever heard of the term Statutory Rape?

Exactly. How would the police etc. be able to tell if she was consenting or not? I can't think of any way, unless she decided a way before it happened to her, and everyone was fully aware of it. But even then, once she's mentally incapacitated, she's practically a different person in that sense, and could 'consent' to anything. Like a child could 'consent' if they don't understand what's going on.

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16 Aug 2007, 5:21 pm

Sopho wrote:

You know what I mean. The donkey can f**k you up the ass all night, for all I care. But you shouldn't rape the donkey.

But, doesn't it seem to be a gender bias
to allow someone to entice a male ass to
f**k you, but not to be able to arouse and
pleasure a female one?

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16 Aug 2007, 6:58 pm

Sopho wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Poor Mr. Sheep Farmer also feels unfairly judged.

Guess what, Fagtime. Sheep can't consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. If you get an animal aroused,
and it mounts you, doesn't that count?

sign a legal contract.

Ever heard of the term Statutory Rape?

First of all, I'm talking about a woman who's fully conscious and aware -- her mental incapacity only affects her communication skills. Second of all... where did the police come from? We're talking about a husband and wife home alone, fully consensual, and no reason for police to be called to the scene. I'm trying to feel out your sense of legal ethics. Should a husband be locked up for having consensual sex with his wife, if his wife can in no known legal way verify consent? Remember, he knows she's consenting, and she's very pleased with the entire experience. I'm just testing your critical thinking.

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16 Aug 2007, 7:23 pm

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Should a husband be locked up for having consensual sex with his wife, if his wife can in no known legal way verify consent?

How did they get married in the first place?

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16 Aug 2007, 7:40 pm

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Should a husband be locked up for having consensual sex with his wife, if his wife can in no known legal way verify consent?

How did they get married in the first place?

She wasn't disabled then.

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17 Aug 2007, 12:33 pm

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I'm talking about the police because you're saying this is a legal issue. This is entirely different to the gay marriage thing, but whatever.
If there's no way of determining whether or not she was consenting to it, then yes. Otherwise, how the hell can they know? It's all very well to say he knows, but for all anyone else knows, he's lying.

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17 Aug 2007, 12:45 pm

Sopho wrote:

I tried to change my sexuality for years, and it didn't work. So, no. Not for me. And I doubt many people can, although I don't know that no one can. Unlike some ret*ds, I don't claim to know everything about other people's sexuality. :wink:

I just finished my psychology class at the community college and one of the last things we studied were motivations and emotions. Part of that chapter was about the sex drive and sexual orientations. If it makes you feel better, many psychologists and sociologists are turning down the ever-popular idea that one becomes homosexual through social learning. In psychology, I learned that sexual orientation is something that one discovers about his/herself. Also remember that sexual attraction usually doesn't start until around age ten and up.

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