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24 Sep 2008, 10:56 pm

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But don't give up on the Illuminati.. they are planning your funeral, so I don't think it would be nice to disrespect them by not believing in them.


Every plank you have advanced in attempting to demonstrate that the Illuminati are real has been rotten.


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25 Sep 2008, 8:54 am

Why would a government want ill citizens? They dont do anything productive. They just cost money. Any government that is only producing waste and illness is not long for this world.. a la British Labour.

Fighting conspiracists are akin to arguing with Christians about gods will and existence. No matter what you say, they can respond with higher obfuscation. No matter what angle you take, they wil find a way for the NWO to profit.


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25 Sep 2008, 9:17 am

Yeah it's like ... sock 'em with Occam already


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25 Sep 2008, 9:37 am

"Operation Red Skies" or "Mr. Blue Skies" ? Consider this: the illuminati get their name from illumination, and Lucifer is the bearer of light. And the "Electric Light Orchestra" is another front group for satanic illumination propaganda, one more powerful than the old, pre-electric conspiracy could ever dream of. It is no coincidence that Count Volta, a groundbreaker in electricity research, was one of Them. In one year after this record was released, at least 400 million people heard this song dozens of times on average. Younger, more impressionable children were exposed to it hundreds of times, which was an important part of their conditioning or programming, paving the way for one world government. This song was also featured in the movie Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which is undeniably about thought control.

The answers are all here, right in front of you, if you will only open your eyes:

Sun is shinin' in the sky
There ain't a cloud in sight
It's stopped rainin' ev'rybody's in a play
And don't you know
It's a beautiful new day hey,hey

Runnin' down the avenue
See how the sun shines brightly in the city
On the streets where once was pity
Mister blue sky is living here today hey, hey

Mister blue sky please tell us why
You had to hide away for so long
Where did we go wrong?

Hey you with the pretty face
Welcome to the human race
A celebration, mister blue sky's up there waitin'
And today is the day we've waited for

Hey there mister blue
We're so pleased to be with you
Look around see what you do
Ev'rybody smiles at you

Mister blue sky, mister blue sky
Mister blue sky

Mister blue, you did it right
But soon comes mister night creepin' over
Now his hand is on your shoulder
Never mind I'll remember you this
I'll remember you this way

Mister blue sky please tell us why
You had to hide away for so long
Where did we go wrong?

Hey there mister blue
We're so pleased to be with you
Look around see what you do
Ev'rybody smiles at you
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
Please turn me over



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25 Sep 2008, 11:55 am

chever wrote:
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But don't give up on the Illuminati.. they are planning your funeral, so I don't think it would be nice to disrespect them by not believing in them.


Every plank you have advanced in attempting to demonstrate that the Illuminati are real has been rotten.


I no longer argue with dead people... you're dead.. you remain in the dark because it's where you prefer to be.



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25 Sep 2008, 12:02 pm

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Why would a government want ill citizens? They dont do anything productive. They just cost money. Any government that is only producing waste and illness is not long for this world.. a la British Labour.

Fighting conspiracists are akin to arguing with Christians about gods will and existence. No matter what you say, they can respond with higher obfuscation. No matter what angle you take, they wil find a way for the NWO to profit.



You mean no matter what you say, you're wrong?.. you mean that?.. well yeah, that Is true, because you ARE wrong..


But, just so you know, money is not a real issue with the Illuminati government.. they have ALL the money in the world!.. jesus christ man, you are so far out of touch with reality you honestly do not know what is real. They are playing chess with people... that's all there is to it.. they dont need money, they own more than half of the money in the world for christs sake..

Civilization is a fraud, the citizens own a fraction of the money in the world, ALL the rest of it belongs to the wealthy and the governments.. Is that how the world should really work?.. you realize we wouldn't need a godamn government if most of that money belonged to the PEOPLE. .

they are thiefs... they are killers... they are psychopathic dictators. You have to understand the difference between them and you.. psychopaths can justify anything that they do, they do not have 'sympathy', therefore you can't compare yourself to them.

They are inbred scum! they have ruled the world for thousands of years, they keep the wealth in the family, and they are psychopaths.. they do not give one bit of s**t about you or anyone... they are good actors.. nothing more..



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25 Sep 2008, 12:17 pm

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... it's not to make our teeth better.. everyone knows Flouride is a toxic waste chemical.


Fluoride is present in high amounts in black and green tea, and some areas have natural fluoride in their water. Fluoride in the water (or fluoride supplements) can reduce cavities to a degree - when children are forming the enamel, fluoride supplements will make it into the enamel and strengthen it. After a certain age, the enamel is fixed an only a topical application will yield further benefits.


You're confusing the kinds of fluoride. The fluoride added to water artificially is not naturally-occuring fluoride, whereas that in tea is.


There are plenty of naturally-occurring poisons, whether something is naturally-occurring or not has no bearing whatsoever on its benefits or lack thereof.
The most effective way of avoiding tooth decay seems to be avoiding sugars.


True, and true, but naturally-occuring fluoride seems to have less impact than that which they add to water. Nevertheless, I don't drink tea anyway. ;)

I personally filter all my water anyway because there's so much crap in tap water it's unbelievable, plus it just tastes nicer. If I moved to a high-fluoride area (natural or fluoridated) I'd get a reverse-osmosis filter installed and then remineralise it before drinking. Not taking any chances with my thyroid, specially given how rife it is in my family!

Avoiding sugars is a good start for your health in general, but oral health also depends on the kinds of bacteria in your mouth and in your gut - different people have different levels, which can explain why some people tend to have worse teeth regardless of how much they look after them and what they eat. Eating meat and eggs and organ meats seems to have a high impact on decay prevention, as does avoiding refined flour and flour products. Weston A Price did some fascinating research in the 30s about the impact traditional diets can have, worth a read if you're interested. :)

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So have you stopped believing in the Illuminati?... seriously, don't let other people push you down.. If flouride is being added to the water it isn't out of ignorance, I've heard it been advertised, and they know it's there, therefor the only answer can be number 3.. they know it's bad, and they know it can cause disease. Otherwise our water 'purification' kind of goes right out the window..


Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


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25 Sep 2008, 12:22 pm

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Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


Well, I think that this 'medical establishment' is controlled... you are the one who showed me this one example of how the FDA tried to smite a website down for saying that bloodroot is a cure for cancer. Who does these kinds of thing unless they are entirely controlled... you've watered down your beliefs so much that it doesn't seem like you even think the same anymore.

So that sucks..



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25 Sep 2008, 12:28 pm

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Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


Well, I think that this 'medical establishment' is controlled... you are the one who showed me this one example of how the FDA tried to smite a website down for saying that bloodroot is a cure for cancer. Who does these kinds of thing unless they are entirely controlled... you've watered down your beliefs so much that it doesn't seem like you even think the same anymore.

So that sucks..


Nah, let's just call it healthy skepticism mixed with a [possibly misguided/possibly realistic] hope that things aren't quite as bad as they appear to be.


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25 Sep 2008, 12:33 pm

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"Operation Red Skies" or "Mr. Blue Skies" ? Consider this: the illuminati get their name from illumination, and Lucifer is the bearer of light. And the "Electric Light Orchestra" is another front group for satanic illumination propaganda, one more powerful than the old, pre-electric conspiracy could ever dream of. It is no coincidence that Count Volta, a groundbreaker in electricity research, was one of Them. In one year after this record was released, at least 400 million people heard this song dozens of times on average. Younger, more impressionable children were exposed to it hundreds of times, which was an important part of their conditioning or programming, paving the way for one world government. This song was also featured in the movie Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which is undeniably about thought control.

The answers are all here, right in front of you, if you will only open your eyes:

Sun is shinin' in the sky
There ain't a cloud in sight
It's stopped rainin' ev'rybody's in a play
And don't you know
It's a beautiful new day hey,hey

Runnin' down the avenue
See how the sun shines brightly in the city
On the streets where once was pity
Mister blue sky is living here today hey, hey

Mister blue sky please tell us why
You had to hide away for so long
Where did we go wrong?

Hey you with the pretty face
Welcome to the human race
A celebration, mister blue sky's up there waitin'
And today is the day we've waited for

Hey there mister blue
We're so pleased to be with you
Look around see what you do
Ev'rybody smiles at you

Mister blue sky, mister blue sky
Mister blue sky

Mister blue, you did it right
But soon comes mister night creepin' over
Now his hand is on your shoulder
Never mind I'll remember you this
I'll remember you this way

Mister blue sky please tell us why
You had to hide away for so long
Where did we go wrong?

Hey there mister blue
We're so pleased to be with you
Look around see what you do
Ev'rybody smiles at you
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
Please turn me over





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25 Sep 2008, 1:00 pm

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Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


Well, I think that this 'medical establishment' is controlled... you are the one who showed me this one example of how the FDA tried to smite a website down for saying that bloodroot is a cure for cancer. Who does these kinds of thing unless they are entirely controlled... you've watered down your beliefs so much that it doesn't seem like you even think the same anymore.

So that sucks..


Nah, let's just call it healthy skepticism mixed with a [possibly misguided/possibly realistic] hope that things aren't quite as bad as they appear to be.


There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.. but I think you've debated too much and let things get to you.. as long as you don't abandon your awareness... :? I don't see how closing your mind up is better. . hoping that the world isn't what it really is is kind of a sad thing.. especially when you used to be more aware of it.



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25 Sep 2008, 2:02 pm

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Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


Well, I think that this 'medical establishment' is controlled... you are the one who showed me this one example of how the FDA tried to smite a website down for saying that bloodroot is a cure for cancer. Who does these kinds of thing unless they are entirely controlled... you've watered down your beliefs so much that it doesn't seem like you even think the same anymore.

So that sucks..


Nah, let's just call it healthy skepticism mixed with a [possibly misguided/possibly realistic] hope that things aren't quite as bad as they appear to be.


There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.. but I think you've debated too much and let things get to you.. as long as you don't abandon your awareness... :? I don't see how closing your mind up is better. . hoping that the world isn't what it really is is kind of a sad thing.. especially when you used to be more aware of it.


I'm not closing my mind up. :)

Just don't necessarily think this is a grand illuminati masterplan as such. Profiteering industry in cahoots (money for big chem, money for big pharma...) but not necessarily anything more.


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25 Sep 2008, 4:00 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
LeKiwi wrote:
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Not necessarily, I just don't think they're strictly behind every little thing in the world. I think it's a lot more probable that simple money/profits and misguided altruism mixed with patronising superiority on the part of the medical establishment are to blame for fluoridation.


Well, I think that this 'medical establishment' is controlled... you are the one who showed me this one example of how the FDA tried to smite a website down for saying that bloodroot is a cure for cancer. Who does these kinds of thing unless they are entirely controlled... you've watered down your beliefs so much that it doesn't seem like you even think the same anymore.

So that sucks..


Nah, let's just call it healthy skepticism mixed with a [possibly misguided/possibly realistic] hope that things aren't quite as bad as they appear to be.


There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.. but I think you've debated too much and let things get to you.. as long as you don't abandon your awareness... :? I don't see how closing your mind up is better. . hoping that the world isn't what it really is is kind of a sad thing.. especially when you used to be more aware of it.


I'm not closing my mind up. :)

Just don't necessarily think this is a grand illuminati masterplan as such. Profiteering industry in cahoots (money for big chem, money for big pharma...) but not necessarily anything more.


Okay well I respect that answer. But it does make me sad a little.. just want to note my observation, is when you get so drawn into details, you do forget the bigger picture..



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25 Sep 2008, 7:58 pm

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Why would a government want ill citizens? They dont do anything productive. They just cost money. Any government that is only producing waste and illness is not long for this world.. a la British Labour.

Fighting conspiracists are akin to arguing with Christians about gods will and existence. No matter what you say, they can respond with higher obfuscation. No matter what angle you take, they wil find a way for the NWO to profit.



You mean no matter what you say, you're wrong?.. you mean that?.. well yeah, that Is true, because you ARE wrong..


But, just so you know, money is not a real issue with the Illuminati government.. they have ALL the money in the world!.. jesus christ man, you are so far out of touch with reality you honestly do not know what is real. They are playing chess with people... that's all there is to it.. they dont need money, they own more than half of the money in the world for christs sake..

Civilization is a fraud, the citizens own a fraction of the money in the world, ALL the rest of it belongs to the wealthy and the governments.. Is that how the world should really work?.. you realize we wouldn't need a godamn government if most of that money belonged to the PEOPLE. .

they are thiefs... they are killers... they are psychopathic dictators. You have to understand the difference between them and you.. psychopaths can justify anything that they do, they do not have 'sympathy', therefore you can't compare yourself to them.

They are inbred scum! they have ruled the world for thousands of years, they keep the wealth in the family, and they are psychopaths.. they do not give one bit of sh** about you or anyone... they are good actors.. nothing more..


Most of that is a load of bollocks. Pseudo-communist bollocks. You really do believe that the world is run by a select group of psychopaths playing at big chess?

I have no problem believing that large companies are easily swayed by large profits into doing things that are stupid, dangerous, and flawed. I have no problem believing that some people are nothing but money-grubbing scum, interested only in gold-plating their nests. Because it happens. Its right there. No conspiracy. No BS save that which they spread themselves. I can even believe that some places seed chemicals into the air via planes. Because they admit to it.

I do however have a problem with the belief that super-secret jewish space nazi reverse vampires are secretly running everything. Because its a load of cock. Are we really supposed to believe that you (or any of your fellows) are somehow privy to secret information that we are too stupid to see? Even though you have no more money or social standing than anyone else? You have no real contacts secreted away within these organisations, and no more greater means to research things than I or anyone else. What you have is supposition, conjecture, guesswork, and the internet. You cite youtube as genuinely accurate and irrefutable evidence despite the obvious fact that anyone can post any amount of s**t on youtube, real or fake. I imagine you also think wikipedia is an excellent source.

Besides, if there were a conspiracy, do you really think you could ever stop it? No. So why worry? Super-jew-nazi-vampires from space seem to run things reasonably well. Why upset them?


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conjecture, guesswork, and the internet. You cite youtube as genuinely accurate and irrefutable evidence despite the obvious fact that anyone can post any amount of sh** on youtube, real or fake. I imagine you also think wikipedia is an excellent source.


For non-controversial topics, it's quite good.


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Macbeth wrote:
conjecture, guesswork, and the internet. You cite youtube as genuinely accurate and irrefutable evidence despite the obvious fact that anyone can post any amount of sh** on youtube, real or fake. I imagine you also think wikipedia is an excellent source.


For non-controversial topics, it's quite good.



there was a study done a couple years ago and wikipedia was about as accurate as a real encyclopedia. which i think that's a fairly impressive feat considering that i'm fairly sure wiki has a much larger mass of articles.


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