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16 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm

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Even Biden has said he's open to sitting down with Putin to negotiate a settlement. That's a positive note, I believe. There's has to be every effort made to stop this madness before it triggers our extinction event.

And putin responds with another mass shelling of civilian infrastructure.


To be honest, Biden is no more interested in ending the carnage than Putin is. More fun to come! More people killed!


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16 Feb 2023, 2:43 pm

I see no evidence for this at all.

That's actually rather strange opinion.


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16 Feb 2023, 3:02 pm

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I see no evidence for this at all.

That's actually rather strange opinion.


I think the fact that Biden has served the Military Industrial Complex quite well during his 50-year political career, and voted in favor of just about every U.S. war is is pretty evidence.

Biden cares no more about human life that Putin does. Him, and the rest of the war pigs in Washington can crawl into their safe bunkers when the nukes start flying. The rest of us will be screwed.


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16 Feb 2023, 5:08 pm

I'm afraid the real problem is entirely elsewhere:
USA does not really care for stopping Russia and they may at some point abandon Ukraine and then abandon us.
Germany and France certainly would.
I'm not sure about UK.
And then, we're screwed. Left alone with all the "support" only on paper. Like in 1939.

And after years of unimaginable suffering under hostile occupation, when the Western powers become threatned themselves, they start fighting and win and claim they were doing the right thing from the very beginning. By the way, selling us again in some new Yalta conference.
How many people in Britain know that their way of entering WWII was... Phoney War?

This is the real danger. You abandoning us again.


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16 Feb 2023, 6:48 pm

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U.S. General Mark Milley believes it will not be possible for Ukraine to push Russia back from all the territory they currently occupy.


Yep he could be right...
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...or he could be wrong...
It is simply a speculative OPINION, at this stage.
I hope he is wrong but recent developments make me concerned.



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16 Feb 2023, 6:55 pm

Josh68 wrote:
Even Biden has said he's open to sitting down with Putin to negotiate a settlement. That's a positive note, I believe. There's has to be every effort made to stop this madness before it triggers our extinction event.


If there is a nuclear holocaust, it will be pootin's legacy.
And what a legacy that would be! 8O
But there would be few ppl around to "celebrate" it. 8O

I am betting that it doesn't happen.
Call me an optimist. 8)
But I have history on my side.
How many inevitable climate change nuclear holocausts HAVEN'T eventuated, now?

Look on the bright side...
pootin is old and sick... 8)



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16 Feb 2023, 6:59 pm

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I see no evidence for this at all.

That's actually rather strange opinion.


I agree that pootin has no respect for Ukrainian nor Russian Federation lives.
And, as you said, it seems citizens of the Russian Federation are "happy" to die for a psychopathic murdering bastardo.



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16 Feb 2023, 7:01 pm

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Him, and the rest of the war pigs in Washington can crawl into their safe bunkers when the nukes start flying. The rest of us will be screwed.


And there is only ONE person you can blame if that happens.
Russia will not be invaded.
There is no rational reason for pootin to kill billions of people.



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16 Feb 2023, 7:12 pm

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I'm afraid the real problem is entirely elsewhere:
USA does not really care for stopping Russia and they may at some point abandon Ukraine and then abandon us.
Germany and France certainly would.
I'm not sure about UK.
And then, we're screwed. Left alone with all the "support" only on paper. Like in 1939.

And after years of unimaginable suffering under hostile occupation, when the Western powers become threatned themselves, they start fighting and win and claim they were doing the right thing from the very beginning. By the way, selling us again in some new Yalta conference.
How many people in Britain know that their way of entering WWII was... Phoney War?

This is the real danger. You abandoning us again.


I have more confidence in NATO.
I can't see pootin stopping at Poland if other NATO nations hide under the bed.
SELF PRESERVATION depends on defending Poland.

But as I have said, pootin's economy and war machine will be exhausted even if their is a peace settlement with Ukraine.
It will take more than a decade for Russia to be a threat again.
By this time, all of NATO will be in a much stronger position with the heavy increase in military spending.

And the best defence is a good deterrent.
Australia is in the process of this now against the CCP's aggression.

But never forget, pootin is old and his health is poor.
I doubt he will still be alive in 10 years' time.
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17 Feb 2023, 4:27 am

Prigozhyn is running out of prisoners to throw into the front-line meat grinder.
Good news for the Ukrainians.

The flanks of Bakhmut have held with reinforcements and pushed back Wagner in the south.

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17 Feb 2023, 4:35 am

Pootin's goal is exactly this: NATO falling apart because rich Westerners don't want to risk a nuclear war over East Europeans. Then, grabbing our nations piece by piece.

Russia is already in a war economy. The West is not.
Russians are ready to suffer really a lot to become a powerful empire. Do you know the first toilet paper factory in the USSR was built in 1969 — eight years since they launched the first man into space?
https://www.qminder.com/blog/queue-mana ... s-in-ussr/
They just live in a very different economy than the "first world".

No one says poo-tin's successor won't continue his "mission". That's a huge risk for us: pootin dies, someone else takes power, in a nice suit and speaking languages. Then France and Germany jump back to business with Russia and our calls for arming ourselves are swept out again as "rusophobia" - until the history repeats itself a decade or two later.
A very real scenario.


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17 Feb 2023, 4:36 am

Idk anymore Idk I don't have faith in democrats and I worry they will hand things over to the christo-facists and it is onee year away me and my boyfriend may not even be able to afford next years rent let alone affording passports to go to another country if s**t hits the fan.

Like I say water wars and mad max times are coming, just watch how things go in the next 10 years.


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17 Feb 2023, 4:53 am

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No one says poo-tin's successor won't continue his "mission".


I was waiting for you to say that (again). :mrgreen:

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"We will cross that bridge when we come to it." 8)



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17 Feb 2023, 4:57 am

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No one says poo-tin's successor won't continue his "mission".


I was waiting for you to say that (again). :mrgreen:

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"We will cross that bridge when we come to it." 8)

Just be aware of the scenario I painted:
Pootin dies, ceasefire, Germany and France jump back to business, Russia rebuilds its potential, we don't because we're pressured by Germans "not to provoke Russia" and "not to be rusophobic", a decade passes, then another "special military operation" is launched.
Rinse and repeat.

Oh, and if we did build a potential to defend ourselves against the new "special military operation", it would be our fault that they launched it - poor little Rossya felt so threatned with Poland amassing army, it just had to act...
Rinse and repeat.


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17 Feb 2023, 6:16 am

Pepe wrote:
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Him, and the rest of the war pigs in Washington can crawl into their safe bunkers when the nukes start flying. The rest of us will be screwed.


And there is only ONE person you can blame if that happens.
Russia will not be invaded.
There is no rational reason for pootin to kill billions of people.


Wrong. It's just not that simple. As much as you'd like to paint this conflict in black and white, nobody's hands are clean in this mess. NATO expansion after the reunification of Germany, despite giving Gorbachev assurances that it would mot push further east. It was lucrative for defense contractors to continue pushing closer to Russia's borders. What other country would take that lying down? The U.S. certainly wouldn't. Can you imagine weaponry lined up along the Mexican or Canadian borders pointed at America?

MAD is a dangerous game to play, too. Don't think for a second that a nuclear e change couldn't happen. Mistakes are easy to make.


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