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Ford actually managed to recover WITHOUT taking Government money. Quite honestly GM's problems is due to the unions which Obama also bailed out. In doing so Obama was rewarding his campaign donors which was his actual intent.

the really scary thing is that these people would lord it over the rest of us.

That would be people like Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

Seriously, you're accusing Conservatives of the very thing that you are doing right now.

that is nonsensical. it is people like yourself that i live in fear of, having my civil rights taken away from me at your whim.

That's where you're wrong.

Companies almost always continue to operate normally while going through bankruptcy. For example, United Airlines went bankrupt in 2002, emerged in 2006, and continued to operate normally throughout and to this day. GM would have done the same.

The only government intervention did in the case of GM was to give the unions a better deal at the cost of the tax payers and by screwing over the bondholders. Not too nice for people depending on those bonds for their retirement.

Actually, the smartest people are usually good at a wide variety of cognitive tasks.

They are often unable to effectively self criticize, but that's because most of them don't know anyone smarter than they are and so get too used to never being proven wrong.

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It would be more likely that people like you would attempt to take away my civil rights than the other way around. Just because I don't agree with someone doesn't mean I would try to silence them.

Real reason for the bailout was to reward Obama's Campaign Contributors.

I would agree that the reason the unions were favored was because of their support for Obama, yes.

And of course the way the bondholders were screwed over is a major reason why people are reluctant to make the investments needed to pull us out of the recession - they figure they may be the next to be plundered by Obama for the benefit of his cronies.

but you would deny me the right to marry another man should i be so lucky. you would green-light insurance companies to continue gouging me and denying me care for any reason they felt like. if a cop looked in my bedroom window at me and somebody else, and didn't like what he saw and decided to arrest me, you wouldn't have a problem with that either.

as for me taking away YOUR civil rights and making life in general miserable for you- other than continuing to exist and putting the lie to your beloved ragged dick [horatio alger protagonist who succeeds despite all odds], i wouldn't give a rap about your life sufficient to want to do anything but keep your legalistic predations away from me. you may be a gun-lover, i don't know- but if you were i have no problem with that, you can keep your infernal machine guns in your living room for all i care about that. if you want to start a business in your kitchen i have nothing to say about that, either. "little" b[not calling you little] people should not bear the brunt of taxes, business and otherwise. you are not [yet] part of the corporate welfare gravy train.

BUT [a big one] - if you try to make it illegal for me to exist in one way or another- via antigay legislation or anti-drug craziness or punitive vagrancy laws for the homeless, or elimination of state social programs in favor of yet more tax cuts only for the wealthy, you are making life MUCH harder for me, and i would rightly resent that. you feel that we live in a zero sum "whose ox is gored" kind of world, but it is like that only because you want it to be, you can see no better way than that.

The company was on the verge of total collapse. Please provide evidence that the government intervention had no effect.

Again, evidence please. Bankruptcy was the least of GM's problems and , if you'll remember, they still did declare bankruptcy.

Also, what cost to the bondholders and taxpayers? Did you not read about their record breaking IPO? And as far as people's retirement goes, should the unions not fight for the pensions their members spent their entire lives earning? The unions certainly have their share of faults, but why are you worrying only about the bondholders' retirements, and not the workers?

Intelligence is not linear. In other words, intelligence is not a monolithic entity. The fact that many so -called intelligent people treat it like one is proof they aren't very intelligent.

That "wide variety of cognitive tasks" is your cognitive illusion. It is still an alarmingly small slice of vast problem spaces, consider that our computers can do things many millions of times faster then the human mind can.

That's what Einstein said in an article he wrote on Socialism.

"For these reasons, we should be on our guard not to overestimate science and scientific methods when it is a question of human problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the organization of society."

Keep in mind that he was a socialist.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php

The company could have down a lot of other things.

Also I can tell you what it effects it did have:

* Discouraged Investing -- You no longer know if your rights as investors will be honored, so why should anyone invest in a company. (Obama broke the law in the bailout)

* Payoffs to unions -- (whom donated significant amounts of money to get Obama elected)

* Car Dealerships shut down (with hints that many of the closing may have been political instead of business oriented)

* Enormous amount of taxpayer money spent

All false.

Discouraging investing?! They just broke the all-time record for shares sold at their IPO. The car dealerships closed down because because sales were in the crapper. There needed to be some restructuring and scaling back just to stay afloat. Saturn made a great car, but the profit margin was just too slim. And the taxpayers have already gotten back over half of their initial investment, with the remainder likely to come in the near future. That's more than we can say about the Bush handout they received.

I didn't mention the payoff to unions because I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to the workers getting to keep their job? Again, evidence for your claim please.

You seriously don't do your research.

Government selling stocks at a loss:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/18/gm-se ... something/
http://www.usmoneytalk.com/finance/stoc ... -loss-911/
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010 ... o-sources/

Then about investors:

Go to www.google.com
and type in the key words "gm investors screwed"