aspi-rant wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Tequila wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Some (a minority) people might be able to consent at 15
Would you support raising the AOC then? Bear in mind that the AOC in many European countries is 14/15.
I think that's sort of the problem with the use of words like 'paedophile' at the moment - it's used to refer to an awful lot of people who really aren't paedophiles by any stretch of the imagination, but simply adults having non-abusive relationships with consenting teenagers under the AOC who have been caught up in some of the present puritanical laws around sex.
No, I wouldn't support raising it. AOC laws are based on assumptions about the average number of people who are 'emotionally developed' enough by a certain age. I actually think a lot of 18 year olds aren't even ready for sex, but the majority of them probably are. It's really difficult to make a call on and I don't support criminalising people who aren't doing anything wrong. The difference between 15 and 11 is that whilst I think a minority of 15 year olds can make meaningful consent (I don't know how large that minority is), practially no 11 year olds can.
age of consent in denmark is 15… so we think they can make meaningful consent…

I don't think any AOC should give people carte blanche to have relationships where there's a huge power imbalance, whatever the age of the people involved.
For instance, in my country you can die in the army and have sex at 16 but you can't vote or drink alcohol. It's all very arbitrary. Ephebophiles need to examine their preferences and seriously think about the welfare of whoever they are attracted to in countries where it's legal to have sex with under 16s. I'm not saying that countries need to raise the AOC, but I think child protection should be able to intervene if they think that the teenager's partner is taking advantage of them.
I sometimes wonder what ephebophiles are getting off on exactly, and if it's not just some dark part of some people's sexuality that
needs an actual power imbalance (I'm not talking about a fantasy BDSM power imbalance, here). A lot of ephebophile males don't even look at women in their mid 20s - women in their 20s are still fertile and their bodies can handle pregnancy better than teenage bodies. So I think it has to be about power. I'm not saying that this is a conscious thing. I don't think it's something that is men's fault. I don't think it can be changed because it seems to be hard wired.
I think maybe looking at it honestly would make it less potentially abusive. I'm willing to give ephebophiles (both male and female) the benefit of the doubt and conclude that they simply
don't know how much they could potentially mess their young 'partner' up. They're not mature enough themselves (despite being adults) to realise. The taboo and the sensationalism surrounding this don't help them realise what they're doing.
I have to say that as a bisexual women, the thought of touching up a girl of 15 fills me with disgust. It would just be too obviously exploitative for me to enjoy. Then again, I used to have a female teacher who used to stroke me at that age - so it's not exclusive to males (but it is mostly men who are ephebophiles).
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