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24 Jan 2013, 3:39 pm

Being alone is an impossibility.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:43 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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This lady put the fun in my kind of feminism,I watched her movies as a kid and she throughly corrupted me :lol: :twisted:

So you admit to being a feminist? Brave! I am not an "ist." I am just a "me."


I have no idea what I am :lol: :lol:


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24 Jan 2013, 5:10 pm

Mulled it over,I'm not a "feminist",but I am into "feminism",men can't act like us,why should they,they are men,but of course manners apply.I keep lots of animals,the males act different from the females and visa versa,all I can say is "Viva La Difference",


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24 Jan 2013, 5:29 pm

No one is exactly the same and this goes for men and women. I believe everyone is their own individual and you have to find the right "other(s)" that mesh well with you then, hopefully, you are set. "Feminism" just divides us along with all the other isms that divide people. Unite, people. UNITE!



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24 Jan 2013, 5:34 pm

I have no problem with "uniting". :lol:

It would be a sad world without a few good men.

My vote is for lots of good men. :lol:

I ask for respect and I also give it.


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24 Jan 2013, 8:58 pm

All together, now?

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24 Jan 2013, 8:59 pm

Now that's more like it :lol:



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25 Jan 2013, 6:39 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Actually, it's a myth, Arrant, that genetic diversity makes a species stronger. What makes a species genetically viable are genes that promote it's survival no matter what those are. Genetic diversity often introduces genes that are not conducive to survival into a group that did not have such genes before.

It's only when the genes are bad and paired together that you see these diseases and whatnot crop up that can lead to illness and sometimes, death.

If you have a population without these genes and they are interbreeding, how can it be bad unless something mutates and a condition arises that way.

So you see, it's the genes that are to blame, not the actual breeding practices. Most people do not like the idea of interbreeding, and are disgusted by it. This is the real reason why it's not good.

genetic diversity is good where the environment is changing or when a species is moving into a new habitat. Since most habitats do change over time, genetic diversity is positively associated with long-term survival of a species.

In very rare, stable environments, species may even start to self-fertilize or clone themselves when they hit upon a successful phenotype; at that point, gamete mixing becomes a liability rather than an advantage.

When you study animal husbandry you find out genetic diversity is seen as high risk. This is how various bloodlines obtain defects which run in their line. Once it is introduced, it generally stays in the bloodline. This is why some bloodlines are well known for producing certain faults.

Depends on if it's recessive or dominant. Dominant traits are easy to eliminate; recessive ones, less so. With dogs, at least, mongrels are generally healthier (if not always more handsome) than their pure-bred counterparts.



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25 Jan 2013, 7:07 pm

LKL wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Actually, it's a myth, Arrant, that genetic diversity makes a species stronger. What makes a species genetically viable are genes that promote it's survival no matter what those are. Genetic diversity often introduces genes that are not conducive to survival into a group that did not have such genes before.

It's only when the genes are bad and paired together that you see these diseases and whatnot crop up that can lead to illness and sometimes, death.

If you have a population without these genes and they are interbreeding, how can it be bad unless something mutates and a condition arises that way.

So you see, it's the genes that are to blame, not the actual breeding practices. Most people do not like the idea of interbreeding, and are disgusted by it. This is the real reason why it's not good.

genetic diversity is good where the environment is changing or when a species is moving into a new habitat. Since most habitats do change over time, genetic diversity is positively associated with long-term survival of a species.

In very rare, stable environments, species may even start to self-fertilize or clone themselves when they hit upon a successful phenotype; at that point, gamete mixing becomes a liability rather than an advantage.

When you study animal husbandry you find out genetic diversity is seen as high risk. This is how various bloodlines obtain defects which run in their line. Once it is introduced, it generally stays in the bloodline. This is why some bloodlines are well known for producing certain faults.

Depends on if it's recessive or dominant. Dominant traits are easy to eliminate; recessive ones, less so. With dogs, at least, mongrels are generally healthier (if not always more handsome) than their pure-bred counterparts.


Not sure if mixed breeds are healthier since they can have problems depending on their genes. It just depends on what genes they have. Mixed breeds can have temperament issues due to animals that were bred with entirely different purposes and temperaments in mind producing puppies.

Generally, pure breds tend to have the best temperaments if bred by someone who knows what they are doing and will only breed sound dogs. Ideally, their dogs have won Championships in the show arena and they only breed those. Obviously, this is rarely the case so with most dogs, it is risky. Most people do not have access to the docile puppies of championship breeders.

Small dogs in general tend to be healthier and live longer than large ones.



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27 Jan 2013, 1:52 am

Mixed breeds are generally healthier because of a higher degree of heterozygosity; a lot of pure-bred dogs are insane and/or fantastically stupid, because they're bred only to look good in a show ring (cocker spaniels and Irish setters being the exemplars of this). Many lines of pure-bred dogs have genetic diseases fixed in their lines that the breeders just accept as 'natural,' because they're so common, and they can't out-cross to get rid of them because then the puppies wouldn't be 'pure-bred.' Examples include deafness in dalmatians, seizures in laboradors, and blindness in collies. Some dog breeds have been selectively bred to such extremes that they can no longer naturally function, and it's seen by the breeders as a feature rather than a bug; for example, American bulldogs have such huge heads that they can no longer naturally give birth, and pugs often require reconstructive surgery just to breathe through their own nasal passages. Border collies are fantastically intelligent, but in a non-sheepherding setting often go functionally insane because of their obsessive herding behavior not having an outlet.
A few breeders of dalmatians, here in California, committed the cardinal sin of outcrossing some of their dogs with (IIrc) pointers, in order to eliminate a urinary problem that ALL other dalmatians have; they were successful, and re-crossing the puppies with other dalmatians for several generations have resulted in dogs that look like dalmatians in every way but are missing the urinary problem, but the dalmatian breeder's club won't accept them as 'pure-bred' dalmatians.



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29 Jan 2013, 12:39 am

This is true, LKL, because of bad breeders. A responsible breeder does not breed dogs with these defects. Any puppies that have them would be sold strictly as pets with a no breeding clause/required spaying or neutering. You have an entire industry which revolves around breeding dogs for profit so people will breed any dog so long as they can sell the puppies and this is why there are so many dogs with serious illnesses and faults that interfere with their ability to live without pain, like hip dysplasia. However, I disagree that a dog will be higher quality just because it is mixed breed. There are some great pure bred dogs that come from championship stock that have been tested for various genetic illnesses that can compromise the dog's life. Just because a dog is a purebred does not mean it is worse and the ones that are bred by responsible breeders can be the best dogs. However, such dogs are difficult for most people to own as pets, it's just not practical. Then you have a lot of pet quality dogs that have been bred by inexperienced, careless breeders of all kinds. You can bet that many of the so-called purebreds are actually mutts, you just don't realize it because they are sold as purebreds. All kinds of genetic issues can arise in this population.



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29 Jan 2013, 9:01 pm

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29 Jan 2013, 9:46 pm

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